| 13 May 2024 |
 jkachmar | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
i think the binary cache impl should be more or less very sibling to the nix impl this is sort of what the tvix approach is, right?
the store should be a defined component with its own semantics and a clear interface, at which point a lot of other stuff can be implemented on top of this rather than through the current monolithic Nix binary application (e.g. binary caching, the build tool, various bits of UI on top of the store) | 19:42:33 |
 raitobezarius | correct | 19:57:44 |
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 @tc424:glasgow.social | Oh https://github.com/brianmcgee/nvix | 20:18:40 |
| @tc424:glasgow.social | In reply to @tc424:glasgow.social
Oh https://github.com/brianmcgee/nvix Linked from https://bmcgee.ie/posts/2023/10/nvix-implementing-a-tvix-store-with-nats/ | 20:20:49 |
 MangoIV | In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
the flakes implementation in Lix is arguably more stable than Nix, who broke several user-facing APIs completely through bugs in the past 2-3 versions That’s partially why I was asking, but no answer is good enough as an answer for me now then. I’ll keep watching :) | 20:53:03 |
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 samrose | In reply to @tc424:glasgow.social
Linked from https://bmcgee.ie/posts/2023/10/nvix-implementing-a-tvix-store-with-nats/ This looks pretty amazing ... | 21:30:20 |
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| easrng | i just rebuilt with nix.package = pkgs.lix now that it's in nixpkgs and everything seems to work, is there any reason not to do this? | 22:43:16 |
 puck | The version of Lix in nixpkgs will likely lag behind by a bit; and the dedicated overlay/module will build other packages that depend on Nix with Lix as well; which doesn't happen in nixpkgs. | 22:45:37 |
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 mjm | In reply to @easrng:yuri.im
i just rebuilt with nix.package = pkgs.lix now that it's in nixpkgs and everything seems to work, is there any reason not to do this? this is what i'm doing too | 22:46:34 |
| samrose | In reply to @puck:puck.moe
The version of Lix in nixpkgs will likely lag behind by a bit; and the dedicated overlay/module will build other packages that depend on Nix with Lix as well; which doesn't happen in nixpkgs. If we nix build on the flake in the source repo this overlay/module and the packages it builds will be part of the build then, is that right? | 23:08:40 |
 @fly:asra.gr | In reply to @puck:puck.moe
The version of Lix in nixpkgs will likely lag behind by a bit; and the dedicated overlay/module will build other packages that depend on Nix with Lix as well; which doesn't happen in nixpkgs. mew, did you figure out why it builds electron with our nixpkgs version? | 23:09:33 |
 Qyriad | ugh this is that issue where they somehow got Nix in Electron's closure. did they not backport the fix for that to older Nixpkgs? | 23:10:15 |
| Qyriad | In reply to @samrose:matrix.org
If we nix build on the flake in the source repo this overlay/module and the packages it builds will be part of the build then, is that right? I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but I don't think so — the flake in the lix-project/lix repo is not actually exactly the same derivation as the one the overlay exports | 23:11:13 |
| samrose | In reply to @samrose:matrix.org
If we nix build on the flake in the source repo this overlay/module and the packages it builds will be part of the build then, is that right? I guess we can also use the installer on a fresh machine. I hadn’t even dug into trying to install Nixos using Lix or maybe not yet possible? | 23:11:52 |
| samrose | In reply to @qyriad:katesiria.org
I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but I don't think so — the flake in the lix-project/lix repo is not actually exactly the same derivation as the one the overlay exports Ok thanks | 23:12:43 |
| Qyriad | In reply to @samrose:matrix.org
I guess we can also use the installer on a fresh machine. I hadn’t even dug into trying to install Nixos using Lix or maybe not yet possible? the NixOS installer doesn't have like, an option to select Lix instead (yet 🙂), but you could probably hack the installer to use a specific overlay or something. or you could just switch after installation 🤷she | 23:13:40 |
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| samrose | In reply to @qyriad:katesiria.org
I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but I don't think so — the flake in the lix-project/lix repo is not actually exactly the same derivation as the one the overlay exports Sorry for my being confusing. I was thinking about cases where I am using nix on non-nixos systems (crazy, I know), but realized the discussion about the module/overlay might be in the context of installing Lix in nixos? | 23:18:03 |
| samrose | (I use nixos for some projects, but also have many cases where I just use nix on other linux distros. I was experimenting with using Lix on non-nixos contexts.) | 23:20:20 |
| Qyriad | ahhh oops | 23:25:06 |
| Qyriad | the module is specific to NixOS, though you can use the overlay it exports from non-NixOS | 23:25:26 |
| Qyriad | but in general you can just use the lix installer on non-NixOS | 23:25:39 |
 DolceTriade | Can you have nix and Lix installed together or will they fight over the "nix" binary? | 23:30:12 |
| Qyriad | you'll just end up with two nixs in your path, depending on how you install. the bigger thing is that only one daemon will be in use, which is not a huge problem since right now they are compatible, but we wouldn't recommend having two Nix implementations installed at once unless you have a good reason to | 23:31:26 |
| samrose | In reply to @qyriad:katesiria.org
but in general you can just use the lix installer on non-NixOS I feel like many people might have the opinion that you'd be kinda crazy not to just use Nixos, and I actually agree. But I have some reasons to use just nix in some cases. And, I also don't mind testing, and even trying to help fix the non-nixos use cases in Lix too. I also do use flake registries, and nix profile install in some non-nixos cases (and it actually works surprisingly well). I can't foresee a reason to have nix and lix together on the same system. | 23:36:42 |
