| 20 Dec 2025 |
 Sofie 🏳️⚧️ (she/her) | I would be looking to join the infra team, just as a volunteer, for now | 11:18:14 |
| Sofie 🏳️⚧️ (she/her) | Is there ANYTHING spare hardware can be used for? | 11:18:34 |
| Sofie 🏳️⚧️ (she/her) | Just as a general question | 11:18:56 |
 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | untrusted spare hardware would be useful for running tests on, no?
fuzzing / reproducibility checks / maybe PR CI
unsure how many of those lix has a need for but none of those are sensitive, the worst a hostile machine could do is lie and say "yeah there's (no) bugs" | 11:41:37 |
 Lotte (it/its)/Cinny (she/her) θΔ& | i don’t think nix lets you split tests in that way without going full on cppnix packaging | 11:43:25 |
 tea | I wonder, has anyone made a nix pinning system that vendors code, node-modules style? | 11:46:54 |
| tea | as far as I know, things like npins generate a nix file with fetchers; it'd be an interesting alternative approach | 11:47:52 |
| 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | "npins but the fetchers are just a path" ig? | 11:48:24 |
| tea | well yeah, but I'd also want it to auto-vendor the deps :)
not sure this would be a practical improvement over npins, but maybe its good to avoid ifd | 11:49:47 |
| Lotte (it/its)/Cinny (she/her) θΔ& | crate2nix does that for some reason | 11:50:50 |
| 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | i don't think npins strictly speaking uses ifd, it just uses builtins fetchers? | 11:52:08 |
| 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | (which you can get it to not do, if you give it a nixpkgs, but you need to use a builtin fetcher to fetch nixpkgs itself) | 11:52:34 |
 piegames | In reply to @522_:catgirl.cloud
i don't think npins strictly speaking uses ifd, it just uses builtins fetchers? IMO builtin fetchers are no different than IFD for all intents and purposes | 13:04:47 |
| piegames | My dream is to have builtin fetchers return a special derivation which would make the IDF part more explicit (and also be part of an IFD as first-class citizen approach) | 13:05:33 |
| piegames | But tbh that is not my battle field to work on, so other people may decide differently | 13:06:11 |
| 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | ig you could vendor "nixpkgs but just enough to make fetchers work" and then use those fetchers for everything else | 13:06:37 |
| 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | so you're not vendoring All Of Nixpkgs but also not using builtin fetchers | 13:06:53 |
 kloenk | would that help anything? does still need IFD then, or am I missing something right now? | 13:08:21 |
| 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | uhhhh maybe, but it wouldn't block eval on a network download ig? | 13:08:46 |
| 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | well actually no if it's just vendored then it's just like any other code in your project | 13:09:20 |
 K900 | I want zeroth class IFD | 13:09:23 |
| K900 | I want IFD to just be part of the build graph and no one gives a fuck | 13:09:32 |
| Lotte (it/its)/Cinny (she/her) θΔ& | yeah | 13:10:14 |
| 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | i assume "ifd is slow" isn't fundmental to the concept and is just an implementation thing | 13:10:33 |
| Lotte (it/its)/Cinny (she/her) θΔ& | yeah | 13:10:47 |
| Lotte (it/its)/Cinny (she/her) θΔ& | or racconfig uses IFDs to patch inputs | 13:10:55 |
| Lotte (it/its)/Cinny (she/her) θΔ& | it also used to use them to generate a stylix palette? | 13:11:11 |
| K900 | IFD is only slow because it blocks everything else | 13:13:03 |
| K900 | Which it absolutely does not have to do | 13:13:07 |
| piegames | You remind me of https://bartoszmilewski.com/2014/02/26/c17-i-see-a-monad-in-your-future/ :p | 13:54:32 |
