| 13 Jan 2026 |
 K900 | Depends on what you're trying to do | 18:32:53 |
 Sofie 🏳️⚧️ (she/her) | yeah | 18:34:09 |
 jappie | unless you're a hyperscaler / need to provision tens of thousands of VMs, you probably don't need / want openstack | 18:48:56 |
 KFears (they/them) | I think you don't want it even then... | 18:51:15 |
| Sofie 🏳️⚧️ (she/her) | you dont know what I am /s | 19:09:55 |
 Blastboom Strice | In reply to @sofiedotcafe:matrix.org
and prometheus Hey thats what I want to do | 19:14:57 |
| Blastboom Strice | Prometheus nodes in each nixos-container (and the main machine) and on one nixos-container will have graphana to collect all of the stats and display them | 19:16:02 |
| 14 Jan 2026 |
|  @wyndon:envs.net changed their display name from wyndon to wyndon | moved to @wyndon:metropolis.nexus. | 00:58:20 |
| @wyndon:envs.net left the room. | 01:10:50 |
 neobrain | Is it possible (and/or advisable) to spawn a lix shell with nix installed? I tried nix shell nixpkgs#nix, but nix --version still says it's lix D: | 07:06:33 |
| neobrain | Ah, I guess adding the store path to the front of PATH manually will just work? | 07:12:37 |
| K900 | nix shell nixpkgs#nix should work | 07:12:53 |
| K900 | Though the daemon will stay Lix | 07:13:01 |
| K900 | If that's something you care about | 07:13:06 |
| neobrain | Yeah I found the problem is that /nix/var/nix/profiles/default/bin is at the start of PATH, so lix will still be preferred. But patching PATH up manually is fine for me given the esoteric use case | 07:16:20 |
| neobrain | The daemon speaks basically the same protocol in either case, right? I don't rely on any internals here, just stdout/stderr tool output and --json parts (hence the need to test both lix and nix) | 07:17:20 |
| neobrain | * The daemon speaks basically the same protocol in either case, right? I don't rely on any internals here, just stdout/stderr tool output and --json parts (hence the need to test with both lix and nix) | 07:17:25 |
 Acid Bong | In reply to @neobrain:matrix.org
Yeah I found the problem is that /nix/var/nix/profiles/default/bin is at the start of PATH, so lix will still be preferred. But patching PATH up manually is fine for me given the esoteric use case normally nix-shell, nix shell and nix develop all prepend the temporary paths and only them | 07:35:40 |
| Acid Bong | In reply to @neobrain:matrix.org
The daemon speaks basically the same protocol in either case, right? I don't rely on any internals here, just stdout/stderr tool output and --json parts (hence the need to test with both lix and nix) at the moment yes, only parsing is client-specific (at least in terms of builtins.warn, which was added at different times to each, and pipe-operator(s), which are implemented differently in each)
i personally use Nix for everything, but build NixOS closures with Lix, cuz i like the multiline output | 07:38:18 |
 0x4fbb09 it/its ⛯✇ΘΔ | # nix --version
nix (Lix, like Nix) 2.95.0-pre20260112-dev_f431464
[...]
# nix shell nixpkgs#nix
# nix --version
nix (Nix) 2.31.2+2
yeah, that should work? ... unless your shell config is weird or something ig?
| 07:46:21 |
| neobrain | Huhm, interesting. Will have to check again later when I'm back at my pc | 07:47:23 |
 aloisw | In reply to @acidbong:envs.net
normally nix-shell, nix shell and nix develop all prepend the temporary paths and only them Before starting the shell though, so shell init files may still change it. | 11:59:57 |
| neobrain | right. so the shell hooks nix/lix installed to my /etc/profile have this: export PATH="$NIX_LINK/bin:/nix/var/nix/profiles/default/bin:$PATH", which is why lix continues to be preferred | 12:02:03 |
| Sofie 🏳️⚧️ (she/her) | @k900:0upti.me do you think running a homelab with data center software like open stack would be "fun", not practical but "fun" 😭 | 12:37:49 |
| Sofie 🏳️⚧️ (she/her) | I need to reset the password of my supermicro IPMI tho | 12:38:22 |
| K900 | Uhh | 12:39:24 |
| K900 | Depends on how much you hate yourself I guess | 12:39:32 |
 raitobezarius | i think it's a good learning lesson but openstack is definitely not the first thing you should be trying to run if you starting out | 13:13:41 |
| Sofie 🏳️⚧️ (she/her) | What are the benefits of someone using openstack then? Instead of using containers and ceph or even proxmox | 13:23:49 |
|  نيولامپس changed their display name from نيولامپس [neolampis; he/him] to نيولامپس. | 13:28:57 |
