| 20 Feb 2025 |
 skibi | yea correct | 02:20:21 |
 Odd | I would guess, that if you stick to the technical points of this chat, it wouldn't matter what you otherwise believe. | 02:20:53 |
 hexa | These are principles, not rules or law | 02:22:06 |
| hexa | Expecting an exhaustive list of things that may not be discriminated against is not the idea of general principles | 02:22:48 |
| hexa | But you can certainly derive the general theme from that principle. | 02:23:12 |
| skibi | gotta ya | 02:23:28 |
| skibi | thanks | 02:23:31 |
| Odd | It just boils down to: don't be an asshole | 02:23:37 |
| Odd | And while I'm saying my first words here, I'd just like to state that (L|n)ix seems totally awesome! I haven't really understood the difference yet, other than Lix being a better implementation, but anyhow, I now have it on my mac, and after tinkering for 3-4 days, I'm quite in love with nix! But a neewb, here to listen and learn. | 02:37:14 |
 ToxicFrog | "lix is a better implementation of nix" is basically it, yeah. Same language, forked from the same codebase, but with a bunch of improvements and bugfixes. | 03:01:34 |
 aloisw | In reply to @opandddd:matrix.org
i see stuff like:
For the avoidance of doubt, we do not tolerate discrimination such as racism, sexism, transmisia, pluralphobia, ableism or other sorts of discrimination; we do not tolerate unwelcome sexual advances, stalking, harassment or doxing.
which is great
but i see no mention of say discrimination of religion It explicitly says "…such as…" and "…or other sorts of discrimination". | 06:01:04 |
 Vitaliy Potyarkin | Any/both would be really cool! Thank you | 07:17:51 |
 ShalokShalom | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
But you can certainly derive the general theme from that principle. Honestly, and without trying to stir up the convo, I have seen this principle almost always to be limited.
Speciesism as an example is usually welcome, and encouraged.
The Nix community or other left leaning communities are no better here than the rest.
Discrimination is always an issue of a certain culture within a certain time period, and discrimination against animals is so common today as slavery was (and is) in other times and at other places.
Not saying the intentions are not honest, but the execution rarely is.
| 09:34:02 |
 antifuchs | Ah, I see the nix tradition of relitigating the basics of working together at the kindergarten level is alive and well | 12:17:01 |
| antifuchs | Yes, a code of conduct is only as good as the ability and good faith of those who enforce it; if you want to see if you’ll be safe better not ask about the stated intent but about the enforcement actions | 12:18:34 |
 KFears (no longer human) | Yeah, that's a really good point | 12:33:03 |
| KFears (no longer human) | And I mean, just raise a flag if you see something that looks like a discrimination | 12:33:35 |
| KFears (no longer human) | In the worst case, you'll see compelling evidence that a community is not worth interacting with | 12:34:27 |
| ShalokShalom | In reply to @antifuchs:asf.computer
Yes, a code of conduct is only as good as the ability and good faith of those who enforce it; if you want to see if you’ll be safe better not ask about the stated intent but about the enforcement actions I do ask neither about the intent, nor the enforcement actions.
First, moderation is, as nobody seems to see anymore, about moderating.
And that is not meaning any kind of enforcement at all.
It is about connecting.
And secondly, I am concerned about the objectivity of any given enforcer, if said person is actively engaged in said malpractice.
| 16:14:20 |
| ShalokShalom | In reply to @kfears:matrix.org
In the worst case, you'll see compelling evidence that a community is not worth interacting with Love that ❤️ | 16:14:55 |
 validitymaiden | Hey everyone! I'm new here and trying to get more into nix in general and have some questions about community. Now seems a good time to ask 😅 | 16:19:00 |
| validitymaiden | I've been using nixpkgs on macOS for a bit now and I'm wanting to get more into it. I'm a software engineer as well and want to contribute as much as I can, so I looked into the nix project. I found there has been some community divergences and issues which has led to letters and forks. From what I read, it seems the nix team was involved in some discrimination and corporate interests. I couldn't find any concrete information about which team represents what ideology. | 16:22:30 |
 K900 | I'd like to think that the Lix team doesn't "represent an ideology" | 16:22:58 |
| K900 | (not that the cppnix team does) | 16:23:07 |
| validitymaiden | I'm a very left leaning LGBTQIA+ advocate and I don't want my time and/or contributions to go to a space that is aligned against those principles. Is this that space? | 16:23:14 |
| K900 | We aim to have an inclusive community where people are empowered to actually do work without getting bogged down in process discussions | 16:23:36 |
 piegames | I think the Lix project has very clearly state its position on these topics, and for all intents and purposes these can be considered immutable. Therefore, there is no need for debating them or their value any further | 16:25:58 |
|  Merrkry joined the room. | 16:36:29 |
| ToxicFrog | validitymaiden: I would describe this space as being more aligned with those principles than cppnix.
I would also note that cppnix, lix, and nixpkgs are all separate projects -- you can contribute to nixpkgs without being involved in either lix or nix development. | 17:40:59 |
| validitymaiden | Thanks for that. I'm still digesting https://save-nix-together.org/ and trying to figure out which teams align themselves in which ways. I definitely don't want to find myself in an exclusive group when it comes to marginalized people, or helping US military contractors. I just want to learn more about nix, help out, and stop using my own shell scripts to get things working 😂 I found Lix by looking into the things raised by the open letter and wondered if this was a better community to get myself into. | 18:01:03 |
