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11 Mar 2024
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆthe way we ended up on this topic to begin with, was the question of who to direct a signatory letter at - directing it at the general public as an open letter is essentially banking on a wide enough understanding and recognition of the problem that this will not backfire22:07:39
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomDo we have knowledge of past actions of this company, that we could use as evidenceß22:08:36
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok Shalom * Do we have knowledge of past actions of this company, that we could use as evidence?22:08:42
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆthat seems like a good starting point, to collect such resources in the pad22:09:49
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomIdeally, we would focus on that, and not just them being a company that sells weapons. But that they had concretely caused certain damage, that we could showcase. 22:09:57
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomEventually graphically. 22:10:06
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomIncluding the background of the people involved in, and their actions. Particulary the founder. (Without letting it look, as if we are running a smear campaign)22:11:15
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomDo they limit themselves to whom they deliver? Maybe we can get a list of clients.22:12:16
@phileas:asra.gr@phileas:asra.grhttps://www.wired.com/story/palmer-luckey-anduril-border-wall/22:13:57
@phileas:asra.gr@phileas:asra.grNixOS tries to be inclusive, I suppose people from Mexico included, perhaps having a sponsor who exists simply because there is technology needed for segregating Mexico from the US is perhaps not the most inclusive thing you can do.22:15:21
@phileas:asra.gr@phileas:asra.grI find it quite upsetting that apparently Anduril employees are proactively defending Anduril, whilst not making it obvious they're working for them. 22:16:26
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomThe image of NixOS and the Internet being limitless and without borders, seems to serve a nice visual image, I suppose. 22:16:26
@pyrox:pyrox.devPyrox [Fox/It/She/They] joined the room.22:16:36
@arianvp:matrix.org@arianvp:matrix.orgI'm pretty sure Anduril's only planned customer is the US government by the way. I think it's somewhere in their mission statement22:18:21
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomI think one can argue, this makes it a political party, that takes influence on the NixOS development. 22:19:01
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok Shalom * I think one can argue, this makes it a political party/player, that takes influence on the NixOS development. 22:19:14
@patka_123:matrix.org@patka_123:matrix.org (I find it pretty frustrating that @jonringer is sharing his opinion, while his employer is Anduril. He doesn't disclose this and people don't know that they are entering a discussion with an employee) 22:19:18
@arianvp:matrix.org@arianvp:matrix.orgAlso I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system. 22:19:22
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok Shalom
In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
Also I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system.
The first thing I heard today about them, is that they are selling rockets.
22:20:04
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomBut that is just an anecdote, so idk. 22:20:17
@arianvp:matrix.org@arianvp:matrix.orgRoadrunner M is a missile yes. But it's built to take down drones and cruise missiles 22:20:31
@arianvp:matrix.org@arianvp:matrix.orgAgree that'd be nice if people disclose their background in these kind of discussions :/ 22:21:19
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok Shalomhttps://www.theverge.com/2022/10/7/23392441/palmer-luckey-anduril-military-first-weapons-loitering-munitions-drones22:21:46
@pyrox:pyrox.devPyrox [Fox/It/She/They]
In reply to@arianvp:matrix.org
Also I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system.
they sell:
  • an anti-drone drone with weapons onboard

  • missiles

  • command gear for these missiles that "accelerates complex kill chains"(from their website)

  • autonomous submarines

  • autonomous planes??(that's what it looks like to me)

and more, this is just from a brief look at their website.
22:23:55
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ
In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
Also I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system.
note that "defensive weaponry" means a very specific thing, does not match what people would understand as "self-defense", and includes things which most people would consider offensive
22:24:16
@phileas:asra.gr@phileas:asra.gr
In reply to @patka_123:matrix.org
(I find it pretty frustrating that @jonringer is sharing his opinion, while his employer is Anduril. He doesn't disclose this and people don't know that they are entering a discussion with an employee)
Note a mod complains that this is doxing, though this is just on LinkedIn/Google so not sure if that would be considered doxing. (Though not disclosing as other Anduril employees on their GitHub/Discourse profile certainly shows a preference of secrecy).
22:24:38
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok Shalom"I kill you, before you kill me" kind of defense22:24:54
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆcrucially, for instance, weaponry that is used to maintain an occupation is often classified as 'defensive' because it is used to 'defend' the occupation22:25:10
@phileas:asra.gr@phileas:asra.grI think it's unfair having Anduril stuff collaborating in that discussion, how do we know they are not doing this during their working hours? Sounds unfair to have people getting payed for defending their employers industry on an Ethical discussion.22:25:42
@joepie91:pixie.townjoepie91 πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ(and makes design tradeoffs accordingly, it tends to be much more about whether you are fighting on controlled vs. uncontrolled territory)22:25:54

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