| 11 Mar 2024 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the tech world as a whole is still a minefield | 22:03:29 |
 Shalok Shalom | See the polls in Finnland to the application for the NATO. | 22:03:42 |
 @patka_123:matrix.org | There are a lot of good opinions in this thread: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/should-organizations-relating-to-the-defense-sector-being-able-to-sponsor-nixos/41252 | 22:03:56 |
|  @networkexception:chat.upi.li joined the room. | 22:03:59 |
| Shalok Shalom | Turned from like 40% or less for it, into the opposite within weeks. | 22:04:03 |
 @janik0:matrix.org | joepie91 🏳️🌈Shalok Shalom and everyone else please stay on topic | 22:04:28 |
| Shalok Shalom | yep | 22:04:39 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the way we ended up on this topic to begin with, was the question of who to direct a signatory letter at - directing it at the general public as an open letter is essentially banking on a wide enough understanding and recognition of the problem that this will not backfire | 22:07:39 |
| Shalok Shalom | Do we have knowledge of past actions of this company, that we could use as evidenceß | 22:08:36 |
| Shalok Shalom | * Do we have knowledge of past actions of this company, that we could use as evidence? | 22:08:42 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | that seems like a good starting point, to collect such resources in the pad | 22:09:49 |
| Shalok Shalom | Ideally, we would focus on that, and not just them being a company that sells weapons.
But that they had concretely caused certain damage, that we could showcase. | 22:09:57 |
| Shalok Shalom | Eventually graphically. | 22:10:06 |
| Shalok Shalom | Including the background of the people involved in, and their actions. Particulary the founder. (Without letting it look, as if we are running a smear campaign) | 22:11:15 |
| Shalok Shalom | Do they limit themselves to whom they deliver? Maybe we can get a list of clients. | 22:12:16 |
 @phileas:asra.gr | https://www.wired.com/story/palmer-luckey-anduril-border-wall/ | 22:13:57 |
| @phileas:asra.gr | NixOS tries to be inclusive, I suppose people from Mexico included, perhaps having a sponsor who exists simply because there is technology needed for segregating Mexico from the US is perhaps not the most inclusive thing you can do. | 22:15:21 |
| @phileas:asra.gr | I find it quite upsetting that apparently Anduril employees are proactively defending Anduril, whilst not making it obvious they're working for them. | 22:16:26 |
| Shalok Shalom | The image of NixOS and the Internet being limitless and without borders, seems to serve a nice visual image, I suppose. | 22:16:26 |
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 @arianvp:matrix.org | I'm pretty sure Anduril's only planned customer is the US government by the way. I think it's somewhere in their mission statement | 22:18:21 |
| Shalok Shalom | I think one can argue, this makes it a political party, that takes influence on the NixOS development. | 22:19:01 |
| Shalok Shalom | * I think one can argue, this makes it a political party/player, that takes influence on the NixOS development. | 22:19:14 |
| @patka_123:matrix.org | (I find it pretty frustrating that @jonringer is sharing his opinion, while his employer is Anduril. He doesn't disclose this and people don't know that they are entering a discussion with an employee) | 22:19:18 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Also I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system. | 22:19:22 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
Also I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system. The first thing I heard today about them, is that they are selling rockets. | 22:20:04 |
| Shalok Shalom | But that is just an anecdote, so idk. | 22:20:17 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Roadrunner M is a missile yes. But it's built to take down drones and cruise missiles | 22:20:31 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Agree that'd be nice if people disclose their background in these kind of discussions :/ | 22:21:19 |
| Shalok Shalom | https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/7/23392441/palmer-luckey-anduril-military-first-weapons-loitering-munitions-drones | 22:21:46 |
