| 11 Mar 2024 |
 @phileas:asra.gr | In reply to @patka_123:matrix.org
(I find it pretty frustrating that @jonringer is sharing his opinion, while his employer is Anduril. He doesn't disclose this and people don't know that they are entering a discussion with an employee) Note a mod complains that this is doxing, though this is just on LinkedIn/Google so not sure if that would be considered doxing. (Though not disclosing as other Anduril employees on their GitHub/Discourse profile certainly shows a preference of secrecy). | 22:24:38 |
 Shalok Shalom | "I kill you, before you kill me" kind of defense | 22:24:54 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | crucially, for instance, weaponry that is used to maintain an occupation is often classified as 'defensive' because it is used to 'defend' the occupation | 22:25:10 |
| @phileas:asra.gr | I think it's unfair having Anduril stuff collaborating in that discussion, how do we know they are not doing this during their working hours? Sounds unfair to have people getting payed for defending their employers industry on an Ethical discussion. | 22:25:42 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (and makes design tradeoffs accordingly, it tends to be much more about whether you are fighting on controlled vs. uncontrolled territory) | 22:25:54 |
| Shalok Shalom | People not disclosing their conflict of interest, could be considered infiltrators, if you like to give it a dramatic name. | 22:27:27 |
 @arianvp:matrix.org | Yeh but categorizing an aerial defense drone as a murdering machine is just not factually correct and not helpful to make a point in my opinion. They take down other semi- autonomous machines | 22:27:42 |
| Shalok Shalom | Are they currently used in any conflicts? | 22:28:33 |
 Pyrox [Fox/It/She/They] | I agree that not disclosing potential conflicts of interest in this discussion is highly unethical and misleading to others here, I'm disappointed that it was not disclosed, nor would I consider it doxxing yourself since you don't have to state any specific position, salary, etc, just that you work for that company(or even just saying that you work for a military contractor in general, in this case, I think would be helpful, since you make it clear that you're working at least for a similar organization, though specificity would be preferred) | 22:28:38 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | In reply to @shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.org
Are they currently used in any conflicts? I don't think so yet. I don't think they won any military tender offers so far. | 22:31:16 |
 schmittlauch (he/him) | One further vector in the specific case of Anduril is that it is a company founded by Palmer Lucky and working on stopping what they call "illegal migration", also often known as "people on the move for a place of safety".
NixCon'23 was a rather diverse and queer place, I'm not sure how well this goes with a right-wing sponsor. | 22:31:28 |
| Shalok Shalom | yeah, we know this | 22:31:43 |
| schmittlauch (he/him) | (sorry, a room keyword search did not yield any results) | 22:33:08 |
| Shalok Shalom | all fine | 22:33:16 |
| @phileas:asra.gr | In reply to @shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.org
Are they currently used in any conflicts? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-01/anduril-roadrunner-drone-killer-could-change-tactics-in-iraq-syria
they're trying though (paywalled )
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| 12 Mar 2024 |
 @federicodschonborn:matrix.org | Redacted or Malformed Event | 00:39:48 |
| @federicodschonborn:matrix.org | nvm I read the rest of the chat | 00:41:23 |
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 @patka_123:matrix.org | Is there a possibility to have someone from the foundation answering or giving a statement somewhere?
It's nice to have a place for concerns, but not if it falls of deaf ears. | 08:38:51 |
| @patka_123:matrix.org | Is there a possibility to have someone from the foundation answering or giving a statement somewhere?
It's nice to have a place for concerns, but not if it falls of deaf ears. | 08:46:17 |
| ronef | Sharing here as well (From the Foundation Channel): we have the biweekly board today in 45 minutes, added it
Will summarize and share | 14:48:01 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | this should probably be mentioned here: https://nixos-users-against-mic-sponsorship.github.io/ | 16:36:38 |
| ronef | Apologies for delays. Wifi on flights... will be landing and sending. | 17:43:14 |
| ronef | While I have a sliver of connection, dropping a small part. Proposing an open board call tomorrow instead of next week. Will try to make it as universal as possible in terms of timing | 18:08:08 |
| @sasha:the-apothecary.club | Redacted or Malformed Event | 21:22:24 |
| ronef | The open call will be at 17:00CET
I'll add it to the Nix Calendar with the conference call details (my default is zoom or gmeets) open to change platforms if folks prefer another one. | 21:37:00 |
| ronef | https://jitsi.lassul.us/nix-board-call | 22:18:25 |
