| 11 Mar 2024 |
 @patka_123:matrix.org | There are a lot of good opinions in this thread: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/should-organizations-relating-to-the-defense-sector-being-able-to-sponsor-nixos/41252 | 22:03:56 |
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 Shalok Shalom | Turned from like 40% or less for it, into the opposite within weeks. | 22:04:03 |
 @janik0:matrix.org | joepie91 🏳️🌈Shalok Shalom and everyone else please stay on topic | 22:04:28 |
| Shalok Shalom | yep | 22:04:39 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the way we ended up on this topic to begin with, was the question of who to direct a signatory letter at - directing it at the general public as an open letter is essentially banking on a wide enough understanding and recognition of the problem that this will not backfire | 22:07:39 |
| Shalok Shalom | Do we have knowledge of past actions of this company, that we could use as evidenceß | 22:08:36 |
| Shalok Shalom | * Do we have knowledge of past actions of this company, that we could use as evidence? | 22:08:42 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | that seems like a good starting point, to collect such resources in the pad | 22:09:49 |
| Shalok Shalom | Ideally, we would focus on that, and not just them being a company that sells weapons.
But that they had concretely caused certain damage, that we could showcase. | 22:09:57 |
| Shalok Shalom | Eventually graphically. | 22:10:06 |
| Shalok Shalom | Including the background of the people involved in, and their actions. Particulary the founder. (Without letting it look, as if we are running a smear campaign) | 22:11:15 |
| Shalok Shalom | Do they limit themselves to whom they deliver? Maybe we can get a list of clients. | 22:12:16 |
 @phileas:asra.gr | https://www.wired.com/story/palmer-luckey-anduril-border-wall/ | 22:13:57 |
| @phileas:asra.gr | NixOS tries to be inclusive, I suppose people from Mexico included, perhaps having a sponsor who exists simply because there is technology needed for segregating Mexico from the US is perhaps not the most inclusive thing you can do. | 22:15:21 |
| @phileas:asra.gr | I find it quite upsetting that apparently Anduril employees are proactively defending Anduril, whilst not making it obvious they're working for them. | 22:16:26 |
| Shalok Shalom | The image of NixOS and the Internet being limitless and without borders, seems to serve a nice visual image, I suppose. | 22:16:26 |
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 @arianvp:matrix.org | I'm pretty sure Anduril's only planned customer is the US government by the way. I think it's somewhere in their mission statement | 22:18:21 |
| Shalok Shalom | I think one can argue, this makes it a political party, that takes influence on the NixOS development. | 22:19:01 |
| Shalok Shalom | * I think one can argue, this makes it a political party/player, that takes influence on the NixOS development. | 22:19:14 |
| @patka_123:matrix.org | (I find it pretty frustrating that @jonringer is sharing his opinion, while his employer is Anduril. He doesn't disclose this and people don't know that they are entering a discussion with an employee) | 22:19:18 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Also I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system. | 22:19:22 |
| Shalok Shalom | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
Also I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system. The first thing I heard today about them, is that they are selling rockets. | 22:20:04 |
| Shalok Shalom | But that is just an anecdote, so idk. | 22:20:17 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Roadrunner M is a missile yes. But it's built to take down drones and cruise missiles | 22:20:31 |
| @arianvp:matrix.org | Agree that'd be nice if people disclose their background in these kind of discussions :/ | 22:21:19 |
| Shalok Shalom | https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/7/23392441/palmer-luckey-anduril-military-first-weapons-loitering-munitions-drones | 22:21:46 |
| Pyrox [Fox/It/She/They] | In reply to@arianvp:matrix.org
Also I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system. they sell:
an anti-drone drone with weapons onboard missiles command gear for these missiles that "accelerates complex kill chains"(from their website) autonomous submarines autonomous planes??(that's what it looks like to me)
and more, this is just from a brief look at their website. | 22:23:55 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
Also I don't actually think they have developed any offensive weapons? The closest thing seems to be that Roadrunner M but that's an aerial defense system. note that "defensive weaponry" means a very specific thing, does not match what people would understand as "self-defense", and includes things which most people would consider offensive | 22:24:16 |
