| 19 Sep 2025 |
 K900 | Colmena can do parallel evaluation, which helps if you have a lot of machines | 18:42:44 |
| K900 | Otherwise they're very similar | 18:42:47 |
 lord_fomo | ah v nice | 18:43:03 |
| lord_fomo | ok then i'll def check it; i think i might already be in the room as well | 18:43:20 |
| lord_fomo | K900: so more generally, can i assume this room is used for like "lower level" questions when colemna fails due to underlying nix stuff? | 18:44:36 |
| K900 | This room is for anything related to deploying remote systems | 18:45:02 |
| K900 | I don't think there's enough traffic to worry about being more specific | 18:45:24 |
| lord_fomo | kk thanks | 19:18:31 |
| lord_fomo | huh, https://colmena.cli.rs/unstable/tutorial/migration.html#colmena-deploys-to-existing-nixos-hosts | 19:20:34 |
| lord_fomo | well that's not as ideal | 19:20:39 |
| lord_fomo | seems like a nixops rewrite is underway tho? | 19:21:27 |
| lord_fomo | https://github.com/nixops4/nixops4 | 19:21:28 |
| K900 | Yes, but it is not usable yet | 19:22:36 |
| lord_fomo | ahh ok but this is the future project then of interest? | 19:22:50 |
| K900 | And generally initial provisioning is probably better handled by something like Terraform anyway | 19:23:04 |
| lord_fomo | https://nixops.dev/manual/development/ | 19:22:50 |
| lord_fomo | oof | 19:23:14 |
| K900 | I personally don't think it's that interesting, there's just too much critical mass behind Terraform/OpenTofu and nixops4 doesn't significantly improve on that model | 19:24:27 |
| lord_fomo | well having come from that space years ago, i can claim that terraform is not a great solution if you actually scale to large clusters | 19:25:06 |
| lord_fomo | saltstack / ansible would be much better solutions | 19:25:16 |
| lord_fomo | but i guess i was kinda of hoping for a next-gen soln coming from nixland | 19:25:29 |
| K900 | Those don't solve the same problem | 19:25:42 |
| lord_fomo | pretty sure they do | 19:25:53 |
| lord_fomo | but maybe things changed | 19:26:00 |
| lord_fomo | i also know people workin in devops that would verify those claims pretty sure | 19:26:14 |
| K900 | Terraform is not in the same class of thing as Ansible, and it never was | 19:26:18 |
| lord_fomo | sure, then salt | 19:26:28 |
| lord_fomo | i wouldn't use ansible anyway over salt | 19:26:35 |
| lord_fomo | or openstack | 19:26:39 |
| K900 | Salt and Ansible are roughly in the same class of thing | 19:26:40 |
