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11 Mar 2024
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.townthere is certainly an advertising component to it there21:03:21
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomI think we could split that right there. 21:03:24
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomI would be fine with taking their money for documentation. And generally simply taking donations. 21:03:55
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomBut not sponsorships. 21:04:10
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.towngenerally speaking this is the difference between 'donation' and 'sponsorship'; a donation is without an expectation of anything in return, a sponsorship is with an expectation of special privileges in return (often advertising plus some other stuff, like a speaker slot for conferences)21:04:21
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka
In reply to @shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.org
That is an entirely different deal.
(Please don't see it as a personal attack, because it's not. But I just want to ask you to consider reading up on the situation/material before involving yourself in something. I have seen it happening at least 3 times in different rooms today. It costs energy for everyone)
21:04:33
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.townright21:04:32
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomYeah, you are right. I could have figured this out myself. 21:04:40
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok Shalom
In reply to @patka_123:matrix.org
(Please don't see it as a personal attack, because it's not. But I just want to ask you to consider reading up on the situation/material before involving yourself in something. I have seen it happening at least 3 times in different rooms today. It costs energy for everyone)
There is often barely any material, other than the community
21:05:12
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomAnd I expect people to only involve themselves, if they want to spend the energy on it.21:05:31
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok ShalomI also do think the whole issue is not very transparent. 21:06:00
@ckie:ckie.devmei 🌒&
In reply to @mangoiv.:matrix.org
I have seen this. Thank you :) it doesn’t answer my question that’s why I wondered whether there would be more information.
have you received any new information?
21:06:11
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.town
In reply to @shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.org
And I expect people to only involve themselves, if they want to spend the energy on it.
I would recommend against that assumption; especially on topics that involve vulnerable people and power dynamics, often the only people willing and able to call out an injustice are those who have very limited amounts of energy to spend on the matter. it is in everyone's interest to minimize the amount of energy necessary for these sorts of discussions
21:08:30
@mangoiv.:matrix.orgMangoIV
In reply to @ckie:ckie.dev
have you received any new information?
No I don’t think so. I hope that there will be a constructive discussion on this issue #110
21:08:31
@ckie:ckie.devmei 🌒&(https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/issues/110)21:08:57
@mangoiv.:matrix.orgMangoIVPut a space after the 110, fluffy chat will make the ) be part of the link otherwise 😅21:09:46
@ckie:ckie.devmei 🌒& * ( https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/issues/110 )21:09:56
@ckie:ckie.devmei 🌒&(:21:09:57
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok Shalom
In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
I would recommend against that assumption; especially on topics that involve vulnerable people and power dynamics, often the only people willing and able to call out an injustice are those who have very limited amounts of energy to spend on the matter. it is in everyone's interest to minimize the amount of energy necessary for these sorts of discussions
I understand that point and see myself in such a position myself. I still see it as inevitable, that people can communicate and self-respect their own boundaries.
21:10:55
@ckie:ckie.devmei 🌒& tomberek: when can we expect the Anduril sponsorship policy proposal and/or the proceeding matrix discussion to be published by the board? 21:11:22
@pederbs:pvv.ntnu.nopbsds joined the room.21:11:23
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.town
In reply to @shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.org
I understand that point and see myself in such a position myself. I still see it as inevitable, that people can communicate and self-respect their own boundaries.
the problem is not of self-respecting one's own boundaries, but rather that people literally do not have enough energy to deal with arbitrary amounts of discussing and arguing, and they never will. if they were to "respect their own boundaries", the net outcome would be that many topics never get raised at all, and they simply leave the community quietly. that is IMO not a desirable outcome
21:12:02
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.town an open discussion about the hard subjects requires making space and accommodations for those who find it more difficult to participate, and IMO that burden primarily rests on the shoulders of those for whom it is easy to participate 21:12:50
@shalokshalom:dendrite.matrix.orgShalok Shalomhttps://github.com/atErik/PeaceOSL/blob/main/PeaceOSL.txt21:14:55
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek
  • matrix discussion related to sponsorship policy: https://matrix.to/#/#nixcon-sponsor-discussion:nixos.org
  • policy
21:15:54
@mangoiv.:matrix.orgMangoIV

@[Théophane] first of all, sorry for the ping.

Second: will the open board discussion be the right place to discuss these things? If so it would be nice if you could officially put this on the agenda so that people interested in it, can participate.

I hope that a discussion that is not lead via text leads to less misunderstandings and heatedness.

21:17:47
@mangoiv.:matrix.orgMangoIV
In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
  • matrix discussion related to sponsorship policy: https://matrix.to/#/#nixcon-sponsor-discussion:nixos.org
  • policy
Ouff that room what a shitshow. 😅
21:22:36
@mangoiv.:matrix.orgMangoIV

Most of it is from last year end of September though. It doesn’t really explain what was considered to approve Anduril under the current interim policy.

Also please tell me if this goes to far or this is not the right time (place?) to ask for this. In that case I will patiently wait for that time to come. Hopefully before the next NixCon (not na)

21:24:21
@theophane:hufschmitt.net@theophane:hufschmitt.net

Yes, that's absolutely the place.

We don't want to set a formal agenda, but if you're worried about it being forgotten (I'm not really ;) ), add a comment on the discourse thread so that it's set in stone

21:25:51
@mangoiv.:matrix.orgMangoIV

Thank you!

Im not worried it will be forgotten but much rather that the discoverabilty is not sufficient :3

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