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 Arian | They seem to be at a very small scale though. Only 27 members. And most of their actual finances are being paid for by the FSF and are not even on their balance sheet. I'm not sure if there are enough parallels. | 11:52:59 |
| Arian | But still fun to talk with probably. | 11:53:31 |
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 nat-418 | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
They seem to be at a very small scale though. Only 27 members. And most of their actual finances are being paid for by the FSF and are not even on their balance sheet. I'm not sure if there are enough parallels. that's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy our spiralling AWS bill | 12:05:22 |
| nat-418 | * that's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's spiralling AWS bill | 12:05:32 |
| nat-418 | * that's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's large AWS bill | 12:07:57 |
| nat-418 | * that's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's large infra bill | 12:08:42 |
| nat-418 | * that's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's large infra bill. I see Guix as a sibling project of Nix, and it's probably good to reach out and ask how their experience has been with their association model. | 12:09:50 |
| nat-418 | * That's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's large infra bill. I see Guix as a sibling project of Nix, and it's probably good to reach out and ask how their experience has been with their association model. | 12:09:57 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | ronef: I don't know if Deuxfleurs (the folks behind Garage) match our project structure close enough but it's probably worth reaching out to them, they seem to be doing well | 12:25:26 |
 infinisil | Note that governmence and assembly discussions on Zulip have started, see https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/issues/143 for how to join | 13:21:57 |
 ronef | Will reach out today, thanks!
joepie91 🏳️🌈: nat-418: Arian: | 13:45:36 |
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| ronef | Since we have transitioned all governance related conversations to Zulip, all communications and discussions will be there.
I will try my best to keep other channels apprised as an FYI but please do sign up if you want to be up to date :)
Latest topic from our end is organizing open calls for the following few weeks that you can provide your availability for and I will do my best to schedule during times that fit the most amount of folks <3
https://nixpkgs.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/435939-board | 21:40:20 |
 @emma:rory.gay | yet another chat app, and one that happens to be not federated, what can i say except im a little dissapointed | 22:05:51 |
 f0x | it makes sense, given its features for structure to keep things organized | 22:07:12 |
 Janik (they/them) | In reply to @emma:rory.gay
yet another chat app, and one that happens to be not federated, what can i say except im a little dissapointed We discussed that lengthy in #platform-governance:nixos.org (formerly the governance chat), and everyone had a chance to voice their opinion. Also Zulip makes a lot more sense for structured discussions, it's quite comparable to discourse just for real time messaging without encryption and worse moderation features then discourse (still better then matrix). | 22:09:35 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @emma:rory.gay
yet another chat app, and one that happens to be not federated, what can i say except im a little dissapointed * We discussed that to length in #platform-governance:nixos.org (formerly the governance chat), and everyone had a chance to voice their opinion. Also Zulip makes a lot more sense for structured discussions, it's quite comparable to discourse just for real time messaging without encryption and worse moderation features then discourse (still better then matrix). | 22:10:31 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i wasnt aware that a choice was even being made, also are you saying matrix has terrible moderation tooling? | 22:11:23 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @emma:rory.gay
i wasnt aware that a choice was even being made, also are you saying matrix has terrible moderation tooling? I'm not saying matrix moderation tooling is terrible, but I'm saying it's not good, esp. compared to discourse. | 22:12:25 |
| Janik (they/them) |
i wasnt aware that a choice was even being made
That's not our fault, the governance channel was as visible as every other matrix channel in the space, and it only affects governance discussions. There is no point to rehash this now since it was already decided and no one screamed stop in the process. (btw zulip is in the same sense federated that irc is and afaik we could just go and self host a instance if we plan to use zulip in the long run.)
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| @joepie91:pixie.town | I consider zulip fine in this case specifically because it is a temporary setup that needed to exist very quickly to solve an acute problem and with minimal disruption to the governance proceedings themselves | 22:15:48 |
 tomberek | Is it self-hosted now? | 22:16:32 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I would have a problem with the broader community being moved there, but right now this was the only thing that made sense for this specific purpose | 22:16:32 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
Is it self-hosted now? I don't think s. cc @raitobezarius | 22:18:23 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
Is it self-hosted now? * I don't think so. cc @raitobezarius | 22:18:30 |
 Dandellion | In reply to @janik0:matrix.org
i wasnt aware that a choice was even being made
That's not our fault, the governance channel was as visible as every other matrix channel in the space, and it only affects governance discussions. There is no point to rehash this now since it was already decided and no one screamed stop in the process. (btw zulip is in the same sense federated that irc is and afaik we could just go and self host a instance if we plan to use zulip in the long run.)
While I can't legitimately argue for using matrix. I think this is a kind of bad take based on how quickly the decision was made and the conversation moved to who and how policy. We're talking single digit hours here. People not having a chance to speak up is completely reasonable. | 22:22:03 |
