| 1 May 2024 |
 Julien | That being said, it would be a shame if people that received a *temporary* bad of the community participated in these echo chambers on reddit that ultimately had visible effects on community places of discussion… | 08:55:11 |
 infinisil | Not on reddit, but discourse, to lighten the load on everybody | 08:55:15 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | Banning a dozen concern trolls is easy. Putting up with the endless cries for "accountability" and having to defend every small action for months is the actual resource drain | 08:55:41 |
| Julien | * That being said, it would be a shame if people that received a *temporary* ban of the community participated in these echo chambers on reddit that ultimately had visible effects on community places of discussion… | 08:55:52 |
| Julien | * That being said, it would be a shame if people that received a temporary ban of the community participated in these echo chambers on reddit that ultimately had visible effects on community places of discussion… | 08:56:00 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | * Banning a dozen trolls is easy. Putting up with the endless cries for "accountability" and having to defend every small action for months is the actual resource drain | 08:56:07 |
 Claes | Since I mentioned accountability in the recent thread: do you think my comment was a "cry for accountability"? Is accountability not important in a new governance structure? | 09:02:12 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Yes, accountability is important, and I very much agree that there are accountability issues with the way the moderation team operates. However, there are a bunch of people who are abusing that to stifle any moderation action under the name of "accountability". (See RFC175 as a stellar example of that) | 09:05:26 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | The last good-faith discussion on this topic I've seen was months ago with Infinisil's proposal | 09:06:13 |
| infinisil | Hold on this is turning into another moderation thread. It's not on-topic here | 09:06:19 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Creeping up from all sides :) | 09:06:38 |
| infinisil | Let's just calm down for now? | 09:06:39 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | But you're right, I'll head myself out | 09:06:47 |
| infinisil | Claes I'm not on the moderation team, but could you just contact me privately about your worried? I'd like to hear you out, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it | 09:09:08 |
| infinisil | * Claes I'm not on the moderation team, but could you just contact me privately about your worries? I'd like to hear you out, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it | 09:09:17 |
| Claes | I didn't intend to make this into a moderation thread. I just wanted to get the clarification about the importance of accountability. If the foundation includes that dimension in its instructions to the assembly its would be very good. | 09:09:47 |
| Claes | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Claes I'm not on the moderation team, but could you just contact me privately about your worries? I'd like to hear you out, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it Sure I will write you in a while | 09:10:29 |
| infinisil | Claes Ah I see! The answer to that is that the foundation doesn't _want_ to give any such directions, because it's explicitly giving up this power. The new governance structure will be able to decide these things. | 09:11:07 |
| infinisil | The constitutional assembly doesn't make the rules. It just decides who _can_ make the rules | 09:12:26 |
 lassulus | It's basically the group which decides who can elect. What do we elect and how are doing it | 09:13:26 |
| lassulus | * It's basically the group which decides who can elect. What do we elect and how we are doing it | 09:13:47 |
| infinisil | Of course, there's a lot of trust involved in that. Some ideas floating around is that we should have a sizable chunk of external people that are experienced with community governance building, so that we can learn from other communities. | 09:15:13 |
| Claes | Yes but that is where accountability comes in. I understand the assembly to define a kind of constitution for the assembly and who will have which mandate? | 09:16:10 |
| Claes | * Yes but that is where accountability comes in. I understand the assembly to define a kind of constitution for the community and who will have which mandate? | 09:16:30 |
| Claes | * Yes but that is where accountability comes in. I understand the assembly to define a kind of constitution for the community and who will have which mandate? | 09:16:41 |
| infinisil | Claes Yeah something like that. This will all happen in public :) | 09:18:07 |
| Claes | In any case, I will write you infinisil: | 09:18:20 |
| infinisil | Awesome, thanks! ❤️
Note that I really need to get back to sleep now, but I'll definitely get back to you! | 09:19:33 |
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