| 1 May 2024 |
 infinisil | Yeah.. | 08:53:07 |
 Julien | Moderation team is already overworked drasticallyĀ | 08:53:19 |
 aleksana š³ļøāā§ļø (force me to bed after 18:00 UTC) | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
We do effectively have the keys to reddit.com/r/nix, maybe we should try to establish that more It has 24k members, do we have 24k members on discourse or anywhere else? | 08:53:38 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @aleksana:mozilla.org
Has anyone seen this post?
https://www.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1ch8vhv/eelco_steps_down/
I feel like this is the source of some people's repeated concern trolling on Discourse. Some people seem to be very active in steering others in their direction and creating echo chambers. But in the end, the problem about this is the people within our community who are loudly protecting these behaviors from moderation action | 08:54:37 |
| infinisil | I'd actually like to help out with moderation | 08:54:42 |
| Julien | That being said, it would be a shame if people that received a *temporary* bad of the community participatedĀ in these echo chambers on reddit that ultimately had visible effects on community places of discussionā¦ | 08:55:11 |
| infinisil | Not on reddit, but discourse, to lighten the load on everybody | 08:55:15 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Banning a dozen concern trolls is easy. Putting up with the endless cries for "accountability" and having to defend every small action for months is the actual resource drain | 08:55:41 |
| Julien | * That being said, it would be a shame if people that received a *temporary* ban of the community participatedĀ in these echo chambers on reddit that ultimately had visible effects on community places of discussionā¦ | 08:55:52 |
| Julien | * That being said, it would be a shame if people that received a temporary ban of the community participatedĀ in these echo chambers on reddit that ultimately had visible effects on community places of discussionā¦ | 08:56:00 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | * Banning a dozen trolls is easy. Putting up with the endless cries for "accountability" and having to defend every small action for months is the actual resource drain | 08:56:07 |
 Claes | Since I mentioned accountability in the recent thread: do you think my comment was a "cry for accountability"? Is accountability not important in a new governance structure? | 09:02:12 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Yes, accountability is important, and I very much agree that there are accountability issues with the way the moderation team operates. However, there are a bunch of people who are abusing that to stifle any moderation action under the name of "accountability". (See RFC175 as a stellar example of that) | 09:05:26 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | The last good-faith discussion on this topic I've seen was months ago with Infinisil's proposal | 09:06:13 |
| infinisil | Hold on this is turning into another moderation thread. It's not on-topic here | 09:06:19 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Creeping up from all sides :) | 09:06:38 |
| infinisil | Let's just calm down for now? | 09:06:39 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | But you're right, I'll head myself out | 09:06:47 |
| infinisil | Claes I'm not on the moderation team, but could you just contact me privately about your worried? I'd like to hear you out, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it | 09:09:08 |
| infinisil | * Claes I'm not on the moderation team, but could you just contact me privately about your worries? I'd like to hear you out, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it | 09:09:17 |
| Claes | I didn't intend to make this into a moderation thread. I just wanted to get the clarification about the importance of accountability. If the foundation includes that dimension in its instructions to the assembly its would be very good. | 09:09:47 |
| Claes | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Claes I'm not on the moderation team, but could you just contact me privately about your worries? I'd like to hear you out, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it Sure I will write you in a while | 09:10:29 |
| infinisil | Claes Ah I see! The answer to that is that the foundation doesn't _want_ to give any such directions, because it's explicitly giving up this power. The new governance structure will be able to decide these things. | 09:11:07 |
| infinisil | The constitutional assembly doesn't make the rules. It just decides who _can_ make the rules | 09:12:26 |
 lassulus | It's basically the group which decides who can elect. What do we elect and how are doing it | 09:13:26 |
| lassulus | * It's basically the group which decides who can elect. What do we elect and how we are doing it | 09:13:47 |
| infinisil | Of course, there's a lot of trust involved in that. Some ideas floating around is that we should have a sizable chunk of external people that are experienced with community governance building, so that we can learn from other communities. | 09:15:13 |
| Claes | Yes but that is where accountability comes in. I understand the assembly to define a kind of constitution for the assembly and who will have which mandate? | 09:16:10 |
| Claes | * Yes but that is where accountability comes in. I understand the assembly to define a kind of constitution for the community and who will have which mandate? | 09:16:30 |
| Claes | * Yes but that is where accountability comes in. I understand the assembly to define a kind of constitution for the community and who will have which mandate? | 09:16:41 |
