That is very understandable. The problem is that many people have put in loads more energy into these topics than they probably had for it. It is not an umderstatement that people have burnt out over this. Having to often start explaining things over and over again, while also trying to be "complete" to some extent is reasonably too much to ask from people.

There is loads of information on Discourse. I think I'm pretty up to date and have some energy left. Feel free to send me questions in DM's and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability tomorrow.

Nix as an overall project is growing. Running this project in the current manner has downsides and consequences. Allowing strong anti-capitalism and anti-corporate sentiment to overwhelm the community means there will be less jobs, investment, and adoption necessary to provide the resources needed. Encouraging activism and political outcomes has consequences. This whole debate was never about a one-time $5k (delroth even offered to provide it). The real discussion is to decide what kind organization we want to become.

problems i am still confused why there is no call for help whatsoever if the foundation is so deep in the red

Yep... I've put out several. Including one last night to say that more people should try to encourage more funding: https://opencollective.com/nixos . This is truly an honest plea. The status quo is not working and won't scale.

In reply to @janik0:matrix.org
I don't think there is a active ongoing call for sponsors (afaik), you can of course always donate to the foundation using open collective.
There is work being done on elevating those costs, but that was mostly put on ice because we didn't have any infra capacity for the last month or so to do more then keeping the lights on because people were striking. And btw I'm very happy to see work happening in the infra channel, it fills my heart with joy.

In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org

Nix as an overall project is growing. Running this project in the current manner has downsides and consequences. Allowing strong anti-capitalism and anti-corporate sentiment to overwhelm the community means there will be less jobs, investment, and adoption necessary to provide the resources needed. Encouraging activism and political outcomes has consequences. This whole debate was never about a one-time $5k (delroth even offered to provide it). The real discussion is to decide what kind organization we want to become.

problems i am still confused why there is no call for help whatsoever if the foundation is so deep in the red

Yep... I've put out several. Including one last night to say that more people should try to encourage more funding: https://opencollective.com/nixos . This is truly an honest plea. The status quo is not working and won't scale.

In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
one thing I do want to point out here - that I have not seen previously mentioned in conversation - is that if the infra team are striking presumably because of the sponsor situation, and the strike means that we are unable to get rid of the AWS costs because of the strike, that functionally means that retaining the sponsor is actively costing the project money, and apparently more than it is bringing in

In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
joepie91 🏳️‍🌈: I think it's been mentioned a few times, but in general it's just one of many "hard to measure variables", aking to "driving away potential contributors opposed to MIC sponsorships" or (on the other side) "driving away corporate contributors"

In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
joepie91 🏳️‍🌈: I think it's been mentioned a few times, but in general it's just one of many "hard to measure variables", aking to "driving away potential contributors opposed to MIC sponsorships" or (on the other side) "driving away corporate contributors"

In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org

Nix as an overall project is growing. Running this project in the current manner has downsides and consequences. Allowing strong anti-capitalism and anti-corporate sentiment to overwhelm the community means there will be less jobs, investment, and adoption necessary to provide the resources needed. Encouraging activism and political outcomes has consequences. This whole debate was never about a one-time $5k (delroth even offered to provide it). The real discussion is to decide what kind organization we want to become.

problems i am still confused why there is no call for help whatsoever if the foundation is so deep in the red

Yep... I've put out several. Including one last night to say that more people should try to encourage more funding: https://opencollective.com/nixos . This is truly an honest plea. The status quo is not working and won't scale.

tomberek:

Nix as an overall project is growing. Running this project in the current manner has downsides and consequences. Allowing strong anti-capitalism and anti-corporate sentiment to overwhelm the community means there will be less jobs, investment, and adoption necessary to provide the resources needed. Encouraging activism and political outcomes has consequences.

There is a lot of nuance to this, yes the nix project is growing but there is a serious question if our project is growing in a sustainable way. Many teams, especially critical teams like the Nix Maintenance team or the infra team have not nearly seen a similar growth compared to the over all project growth. This is not about anti-corporate or anti-capitalism, this is as I already told you in my reply on discourse about not wanting to see our community being used to advertise MIC companies.

Yep... I've put out several. Including one last night to say that more people should try to encourage more funding: https://opencollective.com/nixos . This is truly an honest plea. The status quo is not working and won't scale.

The way you frame your call for more personal sponsorships here from yesterday is disingenuous at best.

problems

i also have to assume (given individuals have said this about their personal sponsorships), that there are other potential sponsors who are not willing to sponsor us as long as we are taking money from Anduril

This is not just about potential revenue loss, I was approached by sponsors saying they won't sponsor again or thinking about dropping there sponsorship, and now of multiple people who stopped there personal monetary donation ships because of accepting anduril as a sponsor.

I want to encourage everyone to take a 10 minute break and if you want to continue this discussion please open a appropriate discourse thread since this channel should stay low traffic.

tomberek:

Nix as an overall project is growing. Running this project in the current manner has downsides and consequences. Allowing strong anti-capitalism and anti-corporate sentiment to overwhelm the community means there will be less jobs, investment, and adoption necessary to provide the resources needed. Encouraging activism and political outcomes has consequences.

There is a lot of nuance to this, yes the nix project is growing but there is a serious question if our project is growing in a sustainable way. Many teams, especially critical teams like the Nix Maintenance team or the infra team have not nearly seen a similar growth compared to the over all project growth. This is not about anti-corporate or anti-capitalism, this is as I already told you in my reply on discourse about not wanting to see our community being used to advertise MIC companies.

Yep... I've put out several. Including one last night to say that more people should try to encourage more funding: https://opencollective.com/nixos . This is truly an honest plea. The status quo is not working and won't scale.

The way you frame your call for more personal sponsorships here from yesterday is disingenuous at best.

problems

i also have to assume (given individuals have said this about their personal sponsorships), that there are other potential sponsors who are not willing to sponsor us as long as we are taking money from Anduril

This is not just about potential revenue loss, I was approached by sponsors saying they won't sponsor again or thinking about dropping there sponsorship, and know of multiple people who stopped there personal monetary donation because of accepting anduril as a sponsor.

I want to encourage everyone to take a 10 minute break and if you want to continue this discussion please open a appropriate discourse thread since this channel should stay low traffic.

In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
the foundation is not properly updating financials on opencollective so you're not seeing the whole financials