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| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 11 Apr 2024 | ||
 delroth | that discussion from yesterday is not representative of the infra costs or of the foundation total spendings in general | 15:14:07 |
| delroth | and if you're interested in that I don't think diving into specifics of the AWS bill for a specific service is going to be a particularly useful way to get started | 15:14:25 |
 Janik (they/them) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtfI don't think there is a active ongoing call for sponsors (afaik), you can of course always donate to the foundation using open collective. There is work being done on elevating those costs, but that was mostly put on ice because we didn't have any infra capacity for the last month or so to do more the keeping the lights on because people were striking. And btw I'm very happy to see work happening in the infra channel, it fills my heart with joy. | 15:15:58 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf* I don't think there is a active ongoing call for sponsors (afaik), you can of course always donate to the foundation using open collective. There is work being done on elevating those costs, but that was mostly put on ice because we didn't have any infra capacity for the last month or so to do more then keeping the lights on because people were striking. And btw I'm very happy to see work happening in the infra channel, it fills my heart with joy. | 15:16:48 |
| delroth | my understanding is that the foundation reaches out to sponsor privately, a lot (thanks Ron!), but there isn't a lot of transparency around financials being published and not a lot of public fundraising happening | 15:17:10 |
| delroth | to be clear: a $5K one time Anduril sponsorship doesn't change anything to the situation regardless | 15:17:27 |
| delroth | * my understanding is that the foundation reaches out to sponsors privately, a lot (thanks Ron!), but there isn't a lot of transparency around financials being published and not a lot of public fundraising happening | 15:17:58 |
 problems | so to be clear there is an active crisis, which has not been publicly stated, the only place you can look at nixos financials is completely incorrect, and all we can talk about is jonringer's employer? | 15:18:06 |
| delroth | no, that's not really a good representation of what's going on | 15:18:43 |
| problems | so if anduril doesn't change anything then why are people so determined to let them use us? | 15:19:34 |
 pareto-optimal-dev | In reply to @delroth:delroth.netThe biggest confusion for me is why a 5k donation is being fought for so hard, when contributors striking likely contribute more than that with work. | 15:19:40 |
| problems | In reply to @pareto-optimal-dev:matrix.orgwell to me it's obvious that there are multiple conflicts of interest going on here with foundation staff and other people associated with the military-industrial complex | 15:20:23 |
| delroth | can we stop reviving the dead, beaten to death discussions here and leave them for discourse? :) | 15:20:34 |
| delroth | if your contribution to the discussion is going to be stuff that's been said 5 times over the past month then this is just noise | 15:20:48 |
| problems | i am still confused why there is no call for help whatsoever if the foundation is so deep in the red | 15:21:17 |
| delroth | https://discourse.nixos.org/t/the-nixos-foundations-call-to-action-s3-costs-require-community-support/28672 | 15:22:04 |
| delroth | (but to be clear, I don't consider a bullet point about "oh we should fundraise" as an attempt to fundraise, and I haven't really seen any further large scale attempt) | 15:22:59 |
| delroth | also sorry but I'm going to disengage because if you're not even aware of basic stuff like this I don't think this discussion is going to be productive | 15:23:27 |
| problems | i am trying to learn more about the ongoing situation | 15:23:48 |
| problems | i haven't been able to closely follow everything that happens in nixos | 15:24:32 |
 flokli | You're causing more noise. Read discourse, there's enough noise there. Let's leave this channel to what's in the channel topic. | 15:25:04 |
| problems | i am engaging with the channel's topic | 15:25:25 |
| problems | it seems there is also little place for me to voice my opinion given the long thread about military-industrial sponsorships is locked | 15:35:15 |
 patka | That is very understandable. The problem is that many people have put in loads more energy into these topics than they probably had for it. It is not an umderstatement that people have burnt out over this. Having to often start explaining things over and over again, while also trying to be "complete" to some extent is reasonably too much to ask from people. There is loads of information on Discourse. I think I'm pretty up to date and have some energy left. Feel free to send me questions in DM's and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability tomorrow. | 15:35:52 |
| patka | * That is very understandable. The problem is that many people have put in loads more energy into these topics than they probably had for it. It is not an understatement that people have burnt out over this. Having to often start explaining things over and over again, while also trying to be "complete" to some extent is reasonably too much to ask from people. There is loads of information on Discourse. I think I'm pretty up to date and have some energy left. Feel free to send me questions in DM's and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability tomorrow. | 15:36:13 |
| patka | * That is very understandable. The problem is that many people have put in loads more energy into these topics than they probably had for it. It is not an overstatement that people have burnt out over this. Having to often start explaining things over and over again, while also trying to be "complete" to some extent is reasonably too much to ask from people. There is loads of information on Discourse. I think I'm pretty up to date and have some energy left. Feel free to send me questions in DM's and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability tomorrow. | 15:41:33 |
 tomberek | Nix as an overall project is growing. Running this project in the current manner has downsides and consequences. Allowing strong anti-capitalism and anti-corporate sentiment to overwhelm the community means there will be less jobs, investment, and adoption necessary to provide the resources needed. Encouraging activism and political outcomes has consequences. This whole debate was never about a one-time $5k (delroth even offered to provide it). The real discussion is to decide what kind organization we want to become.
Yep... I've put out several. Including one last night to say that more people should try to encourage more funding: https://opencollective.com/nixos . This is truly an honest plea. The status quo is not working and won't scale. | 15:56:01 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @janik0:matrix.orgone thing I do want to point out here - that I have not seen previously mentioned in conversation - is that if the infra team are striking presumably because of the sponsor situation, and the strike means that we are unable to get rid of the AWS costs because of the strike, that functionally means that retaining the sponsor is actively costing the project money, and apparently more than it is bringing in | 15:57:08 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.orgI find this rather disingenuous given that many of the same people who are objecting to corporate involvement, and whose concerns are basically being dismissed as "you're not being realistic with your funny anti-capitalist ideas", are the exact same people who have been warning about the financial consequences of relying on commercially-donated infrastructure for years due to its potential to become a sudden unaffordable cost - which is exactly what has happened | 15:59:09 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | and for which there has been basically no recognition | 15:59:25 |