| 11 Apr 2024 |
 delroth | which is why usually people willingly remove themselves from those decisions and declare their conflicts of interest... | 14:52:07 |
 @jonringer:matrix.org | I partially agree with some of your points, however, I'm not in a position currently to expand further (given my employment). And I think my views as a veteran of the USAF (and first hand experience within the military) will likely get conflated with my current employment. | 14:57:12 |
| delroth | I also don't think it's an exact science btw - there's a very wide spectrum of indirect biases (what about fear of missing out on future money, for example?), but in general "is currently actively taking money from the subject of the decision" seems like a good clear threshold to start with | 14:58:29 |
| delroth | (and I personally believe you solve the other indirect biases by increasing diversity of viewpoints, which as mentioned above is currently a bit lacking in a board where 100% of members are in positions where anduril could theoretically very well be their client) | 14:59:49 |
| delroth | * (and I personally believe you solve the other indirect biases by increasing diversity of viewpoints, which as mentioned above is currently a bit lacking in a board where 100% of members are in positions where anduril could theoretically very well become their client) | 15:00:09 |
 problems | something i haven't seen discussed at all, who exactly benefits from anduril's sponsorship? because it's certainly not me. | 15:05:15 |
| problems | it doesn't seem to me that we're in any dire need to accept money from anyone given the project's enormous balance on opencollective and the comparatively low budget | 15:07:40 |
| problems | * it doesn't seem to me that we're in any dire need to accept money from anyone given the project's enormous balance on opencollective and the comparatively low disbursement | 15:08:14 |
| delroth | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
it doesn't seem to me that we're in any dire need to accept money from anyone given the project's enormous balance on opencollective and the comparatively low disbursement the foundation is not properly updating financials on opencollective so you're not seeing the whole financials | 15:09:02 |
| delroth | the foundation is in fact very in the red right now and burning through saved money | 15:09:11 |
| problems | on what exactly? | 15:09:27 |
| delroth | AWS, mostly | 15:09:35 |
| problems | where is the most recent call for sponsors? | 15:11:24 |
 Janik (they/them) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
on what exactly? there is some context on the aws cost in #infra:nixos.org , see https://matrix.to/#/!RROtHmAaQIkiJzJZZE:nixos.org/$nWTikt11GZt3z3VljXujxyYiaGFLQdqRajaKcnQfd2E?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev | 15:12:21 |
| delroth | In reply to @janik0:matrix.org
there is some context on the aws cost in #infra:nixos.org , see https://matrix.to/#/!RROtHmAaQIkiJzJZZE:nixos.org/$nWTikt11GZt3z3VljXujxyYiaGFLQdqRajaKcnQfd2E?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev that's just the tip of the iceberg | 15:13:43 |
| delroth | that discussion from yesterday is not representative of the infra costs or of the foundation total spendings in general | 15:14:07 |
| delroth | and if you're interested in that I don't think diving into specifics of the AWS bill for a specific service is going to be a particularly useful way to get started | 15:14:25 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
where is the most recent call for sponsors? I don't think there is a active ongoing call for sponsors (afaik), you can of course always donate to the foundation using open collective.
There is work being done on elevating those costs, but that was mostly put on ice because we didn't have any infra capacity for the last month or so to do more the keeping the lights on because people were striking. And btw I'm very happy to see work happening in the infra channel, it fills my heart with joy. | 15:15:58 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
where is the most recent call for sponsors? * I don't think there is a active ongoing call for sponsors (afaik), you can of course always donate to the foundation using open collective.
There is work being done on elevating those costs, but that was mostly put on ice because we didn't have any infra capacity for the last month or so to do more then keeping the lights on because people were striking. And btw I'm very happy to see work happening in the infra channel, it fills my heart with joy. | 15:16:48 |
| delroth | my understanding is that the foundation reaches out to sponsor privately, a lot (thanks Ron!), but there isn't a lot of transparency around financials being published and not a lot of public fundraising happening | 15:17:10 |
| delroth | to be clear: a $5K one time Anduril sponsorship doesn't change anything to the situation regardless | 15:17:27 |
| delroth | * my understanding is that the foundation reaches out to sponsors privately, a lot (thanks Ron!), but there isn't a lot of transparency around financials being published and not a lot of public fundraising happening | 15:17:58 |
| problems | so to be clear there is an active crisis, which has not been publicly stated, the only place you can look at nixos financials is completely incorrect, and all we can talk about is jonringer's employer? | 15:18:06 |
| delroth | no, that's not really a good representation of what's going on | 15:18:43 |
| problems | so if anduril doesn't change anything then why are people so determined to let them use us? | 15:19:34 |
 pareto-optimal-dev | In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
to be clear: a $5K one time Anduril sponsorship doesn't change anything to the situation regardless The biggest confusion for me is why a 5k donation is being fought for so hard, when contributors striking likely contribute more than that with work. | 15:19:40 |
| problems | In reply to @pareto-optimal-dev:matrix.org
The biggest confusion for me is why a 5k donation is being fought for so hard, when contributors striking likely contribute more than that with work. well to me it's obvious that there are multiple conflicts of interest going on here with foundation staff and other people associated with the military-industrial complex | 15:20:23 |
| delroth | can we stop reviving the dead, beaten to death discussions here and leave them for discourse? :) | 15:20:34 |
| delroth | if your contribution to the discussion is going to be stuff that's been said 5 times over the past month then this is just noise | 15:20:48 |
| problems | i am still confused why there is no call for help whatsoever if the foundation is so deep in the red | 15:21:17 |
