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10 Apr 2024
hexa	pinned for the day	11:04:00
@jonringer:matrix.org	Jon, where you work is something people can easily find out, because you published it to LinkedIn. Although true, it also implies investigation into my life beyond the Nix ecosystem. And asking to become board observer while at the same time leading a discussion on gender minority representation in the sponsorship selection committee was bound to generate that kind of reaction. I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community. And Ron did ask to focus on the bigger picture, instead of picking out individual comments, which you yourself decided to disregard. I did frame it the larger picture in https://discourse.nixos.org/t/objection-to-explicit-gender-minority-preference-in-nixos-sponsorship-policy/42968 having seats for groups that are not “first priority is the success of Nix”, but rather “first priority is the success of your faction” is a mis-aligned incentive model for a software project.	13:13:41
@jonringer:matrix.org	To avoid bringing down this channel, I'll move any further commentary to discourse	13:14:31
delroth	I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community. You don't get to claim that when you're complaining you can't bring politics (military sponsorships) into the project. Everyone was very happy not having to deal with this until it was forced onto the community.	13:20:53
delroth	* I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community. You don't get to claim that when you're also complaining you can't bring politics (military sponsorships) into the project. Everyone was very happy not having to deal with this until it was forced onto the community.	13:21:03
hexa	I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community. It is my impression that we have these kinds of voice in the foundation board already	13:21:05
hexa	* I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community. It is my impression that we have these kinds of voices in the foundation board already	13:21:13
patka	(Although I find this interpretation of doxing debatable, considering nothing is private, I simply heard it from someone else and was sufficiently annoyed. No investigation or crusade ever took place. I apologized privately, talked with the mods and asked them to remove the post. Using this as some sort of defense, is disingenious at best)	13:23:56
@jonringer:matrix.org	It is my impression that we have these kinds of voices in the foundation board already Yes, but it's creating a "board vs community" narrative. E.g. Everyone was very happy not having to deal with this until it was forced onto the community.	13:25:25
delroth	Yes, the whole problem is that the board took a politically loaded action by accepting an Anduril sponsorship. A board focused on "keeping Nix about technology" would have easily seen the loss of community trust and contributors that such a politically loaded action would lead to and taken the neutral stance of rejecting a political sponsor.	13:28:03
patka	Redacted or Malformed Event	13:28:33
@jonringer:matrix.org	I think this would be better continued on discourse	13:29:03
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samueldr	I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community. The discussions never were about that. The foundation already was about "keep Nix about technology". The foundation was so strongly only about that, that it was not equipped with the means to react to a problematic situation where a clash in values of the community would happen. What happened is that, at first through inaction, the foundation signalled that it was fine with values that are controversial. The Foundation AFAIUI exists for the sole purpose of being a solid bedrock for the Nix project and its ecosystem to live and prosper. With the past events, trust in the ability of the board members was breached, twice. And I have yet to read and reason about the last 12 hours of happenings. So, saying at this point in time that this is all about keeping it about the Nix technology is a moot point: keeping the current status quo means that weapons manufacturers are a-okay. The status quo has been moved already.	17:28:48
ronef	Side FYI - This is the one day a quarter I'm fully out so apologies for either being slow or non responsive. It's part of a course/fellowship I've been taking on this topic called "touchy feely" around building relationships, trust, community through vulnerability, communications, openness and a bunch of other things. I'm super happy to share anything about this if anyone is interested <3	18:08:19
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11 Apr 2024
	pareto-optimal-dev joined the room.	03:51:03
vcunat	I don't like the topic, but I suppose it's worth knowing that it exists? https://discourse.nixos.org/t/is-there-a-policy-for-removing-foundation-members-or-what-is-considered-acceptable-behavior/43159	11:21:33
Arian	I would just reply with a link to the Foundation's Statuten and then close the topic to be honest	11:24:55
Arian	Would be nice if we could publish the Statuten on github so that people don't have to pay KVK to read it	11:25:15
Janik (they/them)	In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org Would be nice if we could publish the Statuten on github so that people don't have to pay KVK to read it This was on the agenda for the last meeting, but we didn't have time to discuss it because we focused on the sponsorship policy. https://matrix.to/#/!CJXQiUGqNPcFonEdME:nixos.org/$5fdHfuHE2mTqP6_DeflhrbNGi7VXtzkAkSqa1WZnbC0?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev	11:28:42

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