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| NixOS Foundation | 486 Members |
| Public room for chatting with the NixOS Foundation Board | 123 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 9 Apr 2024 | ||
 piegames | In reply to @patka_123:matrix.orgThanks. I can't relax either way until this is out of the door, so … | 10:18:17 |
 Jonas Chevalier | Can I maybe also clear some misunderstanding I see. I think there is a conflict in expectations of what is excepted from the board. There are largely two different models that I see.
When the foundation says it doesn't want to be involved in this, I think it largely stems in wanting to be (2). Internally, the discussion we had is that no-military is a difficult criteria to apply since there is so many gradients in there, and we didn't feel equipped to deal with this. I would like to dispel this idea that the foundation is pro military. I don't think this is what is happening. Does that help a little bit? | 10:20:04 |
 jakegrin | Do foundation members have financial ties with Anduril in some way? Is there a conflict of interest? | 10:23:57 |
 delroth | I don't know where to start: the foundation is involved in this, the board was asked to approve an Anduril sponsorship (post NixCon EU incident) and approved it, there are meeting notes about this. | 10:24:05 |
| delroth | In reply to @jakegrin:matrix.orgNo obvious known one, though of course nobody knows for sure who the consulting companies consult with. | 10:25:28 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Numtide has no financial ties to Anduril or any military contractors | 10:26:25 |
| jakegrin | Redacted or Malformed Event | 10:28:04 |
| Jonas Chevalier | But this is a different topic. I'd like us to disclose conflicts of interests a bit more. | 10:28:17 |
 raitobezarius | In reply to @jakegrin:matrix.orgYou mean me? | 10:29:47 |
| jakegrin | Redacted or Malformed Event | 10:30:28 |
| Jonas Chevalier | In reply to @delroth:delroth.netI think that's a big part of the conflict. If you view the foundation as a machine, you want the machine to have predictable outcomes. So the way a decision is made is to take some input, like a sponsorship request, pass it trough some filters, like the foundation mission statement (which we did), and then base your decision on that. | 10:30:39 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I am not naive and I know there is this pro/anti thing going on as well. | 10:31:31 |
 Alyssa Ross left the room. | 10:31:36 | |
| delroth | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comI don't view the foundation as a machine, I don't think that's ever desirable. Case in point: your "machine" couldn't evaluate that taking an Anduril sponsorship would possibly permanently damage the community. | 10:33:21 |
| delroth | Maybe humans could have if they decided to think about it and listen. | 10:33:33 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I think you're making my point :) | 10:34:22 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I'm not saying if it's good or bad, just offering a different perspective | 10:35:02 |
 Janik (they/them) | In reply to @jakegrin:matrix.orgI can only speak for myself, I obviously do not have any ties to anduril. No idea about Flox, DetSys and Tweag. | 10:35:48 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @jakegrin:matrix.orgRyantm is not associated with the board as far as I'm aware. | 10:36:33 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Too much of the conversation is stuck in pro/con land. But actually we all care about NixOS, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Some of the conflict is in the misunderstanding. | 10:36:34 |
| delroth | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comWhat misunderstanding? Yes, it's pro/con land. What are you expecting? "Oh actually no I'm ok with autonomous weapons they made a good point"? | 10:37:36 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Ok, nevermind | 10:40:03 |
| piegames | I think we tried really hard on reaching a policy which dodges the pro/com MIC issue. And as of yesterday, I convinced that the approach failed and that we need am alternative | 10:41:17 |
| delroth | To expand on my previous point: this is the problem with pushing people past their unnegotiable ethical boundaries. No, people don't usually compromise on that, or they do so against significant well-being. You'd think the people pushing for MIC sponsorships would realize that and stop, but I'm starting to suspect they enjoy fragmenting the community. | 10:50:48 |
 Julien | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comCan Determinate Systems make the same statement ? | 10:51:41 |
| delroth | (And the situation is not symmetrical: nobody is asking people that support the MIC agenda or work for MIC companies to not be part of the community.) | 10:52:01 |
| delroth | * (And the situation is not symmetrical: nobody is asking people that support the MIC agenda or work for MIC companies to not be part of the community. At least no significant amount of people.) | 10:52:25 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Yeah, I don't know why this situation has to be forced TBH | 10:54:56 |
| Jonas Chevalier | We should just pick a bunch of sponsors that feel good and that are non-controversial, and enjoy the conf | 10:55:20 |
| delroth | yes | 10:55:25 |