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| Public room for chatting with the NixOS Foundation Board | 125 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 9 Apr 2024 | ||
 Jonas Chevalier | or delroth ? | 09:38:38 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I think we're getting a bit lost in details, the goal is to have a NixCon we can go and enjoy, without fearing that something bad will come up | 09:39:26 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Having one interlocutor I can talk to would be useful, just so I can bounce some ideas off and get this over with | 09:43:10 |
 delroth | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com Absolutely not, I made it 10 minutes into the first board call about this before being convinced that the root of the issue is with the foundation board (lack of decisiveness, lack of understanding of the community, lack of honesty) and all I've seen so far has only convinced me further. This could have been solved in 15 minutes by decisive action from the board a month ago, I'm not playing that game and wasting more hours to try and give this unnecessary process any more legitimacy. Reminder that so far the board has still not admitted that re-accepting an Anduril sponsorship was a mistake, instead still hiding behind tomberek's "policy" to justify that they did the right thing. (And yes, I know you're not sharing that opinion, but you're also not willing to make statements in the name of the board, or state your own opinion much. Unlike other foundation board members...) | 09:47:31 |
| delroth | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com* Absolutely not, I made it 10 minutes into the first board call about this before being convinced that the root of the issue is with the foundation board (lack of decisiveness, lack of understanding of the community, lack of honesty) and all I've seen so far has only convinced me further. This could have been solved in 15 minutes by decisive action from the board a month ago, I'm not playing that game and wasting more hours to try and give this unnecessary process any more legitimacy. Reminder that so far the board has still not admitted that re-accepting an Anduril sponsorship was a mistake, instead still hiding behind tomberek's "policy" to justify that they did the right thing. (And yes, I know you're not sharing that opinion, but you're also not willing to make statements in the name of the board, or state your own opinion clearly. Unlike other foundation board members...) | 09:48:10 |
 @tumble1999:matrix.org | Theres a nixcon | 09:48:32 |
| @tumble1999:matrix.org | ? | 09:48:37 |
| @tumble1999:matrix.org | Is tha like minecon/comicon but nixos? | 09:48:53 |
 Fritz Otlinghaus | Tumble: this is the wrong room for this | 09:49:36 |
| Fritz Otlinghaus | * Tumble: this is the wrong room for this, please ask in the general nixos room such questions | 09:49:58 |
| @tumble1999:matrix.org | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comI saw nix con here | 09:51:01 |
| @tumble1999:matrix.org | Im sorry | 09:51:35 |
| delroth | And to be clear: I don't attribute any of what I describe to the individual members of the board, but these are the outcomes I'm seeing. It's not like I have any visibility into the internal workings of the board anyway since so much of it is completely opaque. All I see is no decision being made, no public statement being clearly made in name of the board, and the only clear opinions being stated by individual members of the board have been "oh we shouldn't be involved in making decisions about sponsors" (you know from whom). | 09:53:19 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I agree with the sentiment. It would have been easier to just admit the mistake so we could all move on. And I wish we did that a long time ago. | 09:54:10 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Now I'm stuck with this policy document, and the next best thing I can do is try to at least get that ratified | 09:56:06 |
| @tumble1999:matrix.org left the room. | 09:57:32 | |
| Jonas Chevalier | On top of this, I would also take some time to address your concerns. I would love to find a model where the foundation can be more decisive. | 10:02:07 |
| delroth | I don't know about that. Let's take a step back: the only reason we're talking about a policy document is because the board has been unwilling to object to a second Anduril sponsorship without having said policy document. That's a self-imposed requirement. The board could just be making those decisions, and it's not like you were lacking internal objections to Anduril (Raito did object, from what I've heard? You could have objected?), you just ignored those objections. The board stating clearly that they'll take decisive decisions from now on, consult with the community as they feel appropriate, and actually follow up on that in the future would solve the problem equally as well. But of course that would be unacceptable to the rule lawyers that have been wasting our time for the past month. | 10:03:05 |
| delroth | * (re: "stuck with this policy document") I don't know about that. Let's take a step back: the only reason we're talking about a policy document is because the board has been unwilling to object to a second Anduril sponsorship without having said policy document. That's a self-imposed requirement. The board could just be making those decisions, and it's not like you were lacking internal objections to Anduril (Raito did object, from what I've heard? You could have objected?), you just ignored those objections. The board stating clearly that they'll take decisive decisions from now on, consult with the community as they feel appropriate, and actually follow up on that in the future would solve the problem equally as well. But of course that would be unacceptable to the rule lawyers that have been wasting our time for the past month. | 10:03:21 |
| delroth | * (re: "stuck with this policy document") I don't know about that. Let's take a step back: the only reason we're talking about a policy document is because the board has been unwilling to object to a second Anduril sponsorship without having said policy document. That's a self-imposed requirement. The board could just be making those decisions, and it's not like the board were lacking internal objections to Anduril (Raito did object, from what I've heard? You could have objected?), they just ignored those objections. The board stating clearly that they'll take decisive decisions from now on, consult with the community as they feel appropriate, and actually follow up on that in the future would solve the problem equally as well. But of course that would be unacceptable to the rule lawyers that have been wasting our time for the past month. | 10:03:54 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Even if I would agree, the expectation is now that we will pass this document. Maybe it's a sunken cost fallacy. | 10:04:45 |
| delroth | (Of course what I described in my last paragraph won't happen though - I don't believe the board can even unanimously agree on that at this point.) | 10:05:41 |
| delroth | * (Of course what I described in my last paragraph won't happen though - I don't believe the board can even unanimously agree on that at this point. And really that's the core problem.) | 10:05:55 |
 piegames | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comI can write you down a policy which will make the job for the foundation board easy. But this would still require the board to make at least one difficult decision to accept it | 10:06:32 |
| piegames | * I can write you down a policy which will make the job for the foundation board easy. But this would still require the board to make at least one difficult decision: to accept it | 10:07:03 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I'd like to avoid going back to the drawing board if possible, so we can get this passed today | 10:07:47 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I'm not particularly attached to any document, I'd just like to get this over with | 10:08:38 |
| piegames | With the current one, it won't be over if it passes. That's my concern | 10:09:28 |
| piegames | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comIt's not that much of a step back, since most of the details have already been discussed in detail. Only need to assemble the bricks back in the right order. | 10:10:22 |
| Jonas Chevalier | How fast can you get it to a semi-good state? | 10:12:01 |