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3 May 2024
Dandellion	There are also probably some optics issues with a small group of people kind moving the governance discussions off-platform, but I think is fine as long as we take the discussion again after the bootstrapping assembly process is completed and we do "real" governance discussions	22:27:39
Janik (they/them)	In reply to @dandellion:dodsorf.as While I can't legitimately argue for using matrix. I think this is a kind of bad take based on how quickly the decision was made and the conversation moved to who and how policy. We're talking single digit hours here. People not having a chance to speak up is completely reasonable. I'd agree with you if it affected more then just governance and if it was longer then temporary. For the move from irc to matrix there was a whole RFC https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/blob/master/rfcs/0094-use-matrix-for-official-chat.md Also the governance discussions being invite only is a feature we want here since discourse and matrix where both brigaded by sock puppets everytime we had governance discussions. Please also keep in mind that we are on a very strict timeline of less then 14 days.	22:31:41
hexa	In reply to @emma:rory.gay i wasnt aware that a choice was even being made, also are you saying matrix has terrible moderation tooling? yes, compared to discourse every moderation toolbox has been terrible so far	22:34:35
hexa	In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org Is it self-hosted now? no, sponsored cloud for open source organisations	22:34:47
@emma:rory.gay	In reply to @hexa:lossy.network yes, compared to discourse every moderation toolbox has been terrible so far ive never used discourse before but i dont see what matrix is lacking	22:37:42
Dandellion	I believe the decision was the correct one, so I'm not going to play devil's advocate or concern-troll or anything. But us being on a strict schedule is not a reason I want to see being used throughout the project while a small group with the resources to take time off/live in the correct timezone do all the decisionmaking. I don't really think this will be an issue, but I find it important to highlight either way based on the deflecting tone in your reply to this concern being raised	22:39:36
@paperdigits:matrix.org	For one matrix requires a completely separate app for moderation	22:39:38
@joepie91:pixie.town	Dandellion: while I understand the concern (and it is a genuine concern in and of itself), many of us have been working on this in some form for somewhere between months and years already, so there is very little energy left to get any kind of governance solution in place - and a significant effort was made to make this as broadly accessible as possible within the constraints	22:41:11
@joepie91:pixie.town	this is likely the same reason for the deflecting tone; people are simply exhausted	22:41:34
@emma:rory.gay	In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org For one matrix requires a completely separate app for moderation i dont think it does, but would love to hear more	22:42:03
@paperdigits:matrix.org	In reply to @emma:rory.gay i dont think it does, but would love to hear more Sorry. Not app, its a bot: https://matrix.org/docs/communities/moderation/	22:43:32

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