| 8 Sep 2023 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | (likewise, I will happily explain problems when given the space to do so, but there's something very wrong when I need to walk on eggshells not to set off someone's delicately manufactured ideal of a just world, while they can just basically say whatever they want without regard for how it impacts me or others) | 11:02:46 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | Arian: I am not. there is a reason I have been avoiding the specific topic of "is a military needed". | 11:03:34 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | because this is not about that, this is about the behaviour of a number of community members and how that affects me and my friends as marginalized people, not just in this incident but also in previous ones | 11:04:28 |
 vcunat | You may have been avoiding that, but the initial topic was called "NixCon sponsored by military" and some other posts were along those lines. And e.g. I was strongly reminded of big recent public protests saying no weapons to Ukraine, we want peace. | 11:50:56 |
| vcunat | So I get why these discussions could get heated easily. | 11:51:25 |
| vcunat | (And kind-of unnecessarily in the context of NixOS.) | 11:51:46 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | vcunat: my comment about avoiding the "is a military needed" topic was a response to "you are speaking from a privileged position" | 11:55:16 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | it is not related to any of the other points being discussed | 11:55:26 |
| vcunat | Oh, I understood it the way that the "military" were the unprivileged in this case, opposed by the others. My bad I guess, I don't know. | 11:56:45 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | vcunat: to clarify (according to my understanding): Arian was making the point that I was speaking from a privileged position regarding "do we need military or not", on the premise that I am not in a war-torn country, and therefore not in a position to speak on the matter. I then responded that I am not speaking from a privileged position, because I wasn't making any assertions about needing militaries at all, precisely because of those complexities - and rather, I'm talking about the way that some community members feel comfortable behaving not just around the topic of Anduril but also previous conflicts, none of which are influenced by whether I am in a war-torn country | 12:03:22 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | * vcunat: to clarify (according to my understanding): Arian was making the point that I was speaking from a privileged position regarding "do we need military or not", on the premise that I am not in a war-torn country, and therefore not in a position to speak on the matter. I then responded that I am not speaking from a privileged position, because I wasn't making any assertions about needing militaries at all, precisely because of those complexities - and rather, I'm talking about the way that some community members feel comfortable behaving not just around the topic of Anduril but also previous conflicts (like RFC98), none of which are influenced by whether I am in a war-torn country | 12:03:39 |
| vcunat | Yes, I agree, retrospectively. | 12:03:49 |
 Arian | Your summary is correct joepie | 12:08:29 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (FYI, setting the thread to slow mode does not solve the problem, and it is continuing to be a trashfire) | 15:53:55 |
| vcunat | Suggesting some solution might help. (to the moderation team; others probably can't enforce it) | 15:57:45 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I did, several years ago. | 15:58:47 |
| vcunat | We could close the topic. | 15:58:49 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | actually starting to moderate bad-faith arguing. | 15:59:00 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | including sealioning and other forms of concern trolling. | 15:59:14 |
| vcunat | Most of the latest posts got hidden, probably due to user flags. (also your last post; I can't see why... perhaps I don't think I have sufficient privileges) | 16:02:55 |
| vcunat | * Most of the latest posts got hidden, probably due to user flags. (also your last post; I can't see why... perhaps I don't think I have sufficient privileges to see) | 16:03:11 |
| vcunat | Well, I'm not a best person to try moderating discussions anyway. | 16:03:27 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | they seem to be auto-hidden due to 'community flags', ie. a number of people flagging it | 16:03:42 |
| vcunat | I might've even made this topic worse by my posts. | 16:03:48 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | based on the automated messages I have gotten from Discourse | 16:03:52 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (and I have a pretty good idea of why that happened) | 16:04:03 |
| vcunat | People with moderation rights can easily override the results of flagging. And often discourse pings them anyway if it's uncertain whether to hide posts or not. Or something like that (I have moderation rights on a different discourse instance). | 16:05:24 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | yeah, that is why I have not been loudly complaining about the flagging; I'm waiting to see if a moderator resolves the issue | 16:05:57 |
| vcunat | Right now people are busy with NixCon, so I don't expect the moderation team to be reacting within an hour. | 16:06:03 |
| vcunat | I could close it. I seem to have permissions for that, but I doubt it would help significantly. | 16:06:46 |
