| 27 Apr 2024 |
 Arian | Clear policy on how we choose sponsors as a community. | 08:52:01 |
 @withoutwithin:matrix.org | I don't see the board as that kind of silent fiscal host in how it operates | 08:52:21 |
| Arian | But it used to be for the past decade or so. People often didn't even know that the Foundation existed. It only changed recently. Wanted to add that as context | 08:53:31 |
| @withoutwithin:matrix.org | he who controls the purse strings controls the project | 08:53:45 |
 Jonas Chevalier |
I think people have very different views of the board. Personally I don't see them as our community leaders at all and I absolutely don't want them to be.
That's very true. Our role is to be the interface between the community and legal/commercial. Not to lead the community. The intention was for the community to self-manage, with minimal intervention from the board to unblock where needed.
There is a big mismatch of expectations there, that started happening when we had to weigh on the sponsorship policy.
| 08:54:07 |
| Arian | If we're talking about millions of euros? Yes. We're talking about managing pocket change. We can't even pay a single developer a salary with the financials that the board is managing. There isn't much money to control | 08:55:03 |
 vcunat | In reply to @withoutwithin:matrix.org
he who controls the purse strings controls the project That's not true here at all. | 08:56:41 |
| Jonas Chevalier | We were always in the mindset of facilitating things to happen instead of directing things. That's also why we try to stay away from technical decisions. | 08:57:24 |
| Jonas Chevalier | If anything, we failed to re-center the power back to the community | 08:58:40 |
| Jonas Chevalier | There is also a mismatch of expectations in terms of capacity; we meet for 1h every 2 weeks. We're not there 24/7 to immediately respond to queries. | 09:00:03 |
| Jonas Chevalier | If we wanted to deal with the current inflow of requests, it requires restructuring the board. | 09:00:44 |
 nat-418 | seems we have a crisis of leadership: a disperate constellation of goups is not capable of forming a coherent response to challenges, let alone move forward | 09:01:58 |
| Jonas Chevalier | we're all individuals, figuring how to move forwards. that has always been the case in this project. | 09:02:44 |
| nat-418 | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
we're all individuals, figuring how to move forwards. that has always been the case in this project. maybe that is the problem | 09:03:13 |
| Jonas Chevalier | maybe. there is clearly a mismatch of expectations. | 09:04:05 |
| @withoutwithin:matrix.org | for what it's worth, i reached out to the foundation board as a last resort | 09:05:37 |
| Arian | There is no leadership crisis as we never really formally defined leadership of our community. We have a crisis of community in my opinion. It's community members who organise nixcon. And its community members that twice in a row chose Anduril eventhough it was clearly a bad idea to have them sponsor the conference a second time. We need to find way how we as a community solve that. I dont see why people keep putting some appeal to authority on the board here. Whilst it's clearly not set up to provide such authority. We could set it up like that. But it would require something very diffetent | 09:06:23 |
| Arian | I'd require at least one full time paid employee | 09:06:34 |
| Jonas Chevalier | we already increased the bandwidth of the foundation, at personal costs on our personal lives and businesses, to move out of the crisis. | 09:06:44 |
| nat-418 | something like a german e.V. registered voluntary association with a presidium, members, etc. seems reasonable | 09:07:02 |
| Arian | But given we don't really have the level of funds to even sustain that I don't really see how that is currently possible. Unless we double down on getting more corporate sponsors and professionalize the foundation to have a more formal authoritative role in the project | 09:08:26 |
| Jonas Chevalier | it's the same thing with the moderation team where people start making demands, as if they were mere employees. these are also community members are are talking about. | 09:08:37 |
| nat-418 | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
But given we don't really have the level of funds to even sustain that I don't really see how that is currently possible. Unless we double down on getting more corporate sponsors and professionalize the foundation to have a more formal authoritative role in the project members could simply pay dues | 09:08:42 |
| nat-418 | Codeberg works like this | 09:08:47 |
| nat-418 | they also have paid staff | 09:10:34 |
| vcunat | That would be a very radical change of philosophy. | 09:12:11 |
| Arian | I suggested a Verein with paid membership a few weeks ago in this chat. Got a lot of pushback on that :'). I'd suggest reading back the discussion . We discussed it quite much in detail | 09:12:25 |
| nat-418 | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
That would be a very radical change of philosophy. I am seeing good people leave the community every day. Seems like radical change may be needed. | 09:13:24 |
| nat-418 | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
That would be a very radical change of philosophy. * I am seeing good people leave Nix every day. Seems like radical change may be needed. | 09:13:39 |
| vcunat | You think forcing them to pay would help? | 09:13:39 |
