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 ttamttam | To be perfectly clear my use of the term marginalized people was to refer the marginalized people who are often targeted by the type of rhetoric I described above. In the particular case of the discourse thread about military sponsorships, that would mean those on the receiving end of the military industrial complex: Immigrants, civilians caught in war zones, and their loved ones.
Part of my frustration about that topic was seeing a pattern of bad faith rhetoric being used to minimize and silence the legitimate concerns of others, particularly the concern that marginalized people (immigrants who have tried to cross the US southern border in this case) won't feel welcomed or safe for some reason (because their community is being sponsored by the company that makes the automated sentries that are designed to kill people who try to cross the border like they did). This is a pattern I notice in all sorts of online and public spaces, So I deliberately used a vague term to talk about the wider issue instead of this particular instance. I can see how that connection could be confusing.
I don't want to put words in other people's mouths, that's just what I meant when I used the word and how I've been interpreting it in this thread. | 20:46:13 |
 Artturin | It appears that the company makes sentry(surveillance) towers for the US border which reduce the manpower needed to monitor the border | 20:49:16 |
| Artturin | * It appears that the company makes sentry(surveillance) towers for the US border which reduce the manpower needed to monitor the border (from their site) | 20:49:22 |
| Artturin | * It appears that the company makes sentry(surveillance) towers for the US border which reduce the manpower needed to monitor the border (from their site), not automatic turrets for the border. | 20:50:04 |
| Artturin | * It appears that the company makes sentry(surveillance) towers for the US border which reduce the manpower needed to monitor the border (from their website), not automatic turrets for the border. | 20:51:11 |
| ttamttam | Well that's my particular misunderstanding. That doesn't really change the fact that it's a controversial company that can certainly strike up some negative emotions in people.
That's actually one reason I prefer to speak generally, so as to avoid "gotchas" that don't change the core of my argument, and I address them we suddenly end up three pages down in the forum thread debating what is and isn't acceptable practice for border security when the point I was trying to make was about a pattern of rhetoric that I believe is unhealthy for the community. | 20:57:08 |
| ttamttam | * Well that's my particular misunderstanding. That doesn't really change the fact that it's a controversial company that can certainly strike up some negative emotions in people.
That's actually one reason I prefer to speak generally, so as to avoid "gotchas" that don't change the core of my argument, and if I address them we suddenly end up three pages down in the forum thread debating what is and isn't acceptable practice for border security when the point I was trying to make was about a pattern of rhetoric that I believe is unhealthy for the community. | 20:57:37 |
 vcunat | OK, I think I understand what you meant with "marginalized" and the context around. I thought it was about the discussion happening and not one use case for those weapons. | 20:59:49 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | In reply to @artturin:matrix.org
It appears that the company makes sentry(surveillance) towers for the US border which reduce the manpower needed to monitor the border (from their website), not automatic turrets for the border. this is correct, but also a distinction without a difference; because that monitoring information is then used to harass and, frequently, kill migrants | 21:11:03 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (one such case that is relatively well-documented is CBP destroying hydration points) | 21:12:43 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (also note that Anduril does in fact also make autonomous weapons; just none of them have been deployed at the border... yet, anyway.) | 21:14:40 |
 Arian | Anduril does make weapons. They're quite clear about that. | 21:22:13 |
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 Salar Rahmanian (softinio) | Hi Awesome foundation team, quick one, doing a nix related talk at a conference soon. Was wondering if there is such a thing as a nix swag store you all have created? Else any preferred suppliers for having some made? Any restrictions on use of branding to have some made? any info appreciated. I am considernig if I should wear something nix for the talk so after talk I am easy to find if anyone wants to talk nix after plus maybe some stickers etc to give out to help with evangelising nix more too | 23:58:55 |
