| 17 Sep 2023 |
 Salar Rahmanian (softinio) | * Hi Awesome foundation team, quick one, doing a nix related talk at a conference soon. Was wondering if there is such a thing as a nix swag store you all have created? Else any preferred suppliers for having some made? Any restrictions on use of branding to have some made? any info appreciated.
I am considernig if I should wear something nix for the talk so after talk I am easy to find if anyone wants to talk nix after plus maybe some stickers etc to give out to help with evangelising nix more too. | 23:59:21 |
| 18 Sep 2023 |
 ronef | A. Huge hearts. <3
B. One of our goals for the year is to work together with the community on a trademark. Therefore as of right now there isn't anything official.
C. GO FOR IT! | 02:40:00 |
| ronef | I've personally been using printful here in the USA because they have soft shirts and I appreciate soft shirts... :D | 02:41:34 |
| ronef | If you're uncertain about anything feel free to ping me and I'm happy to review. Though again as we don't have official guidelines yet it would just be a "best practice" situation. I usually tend to err on the side of - If everything associated with this is positive and doing good for the community then it should be fine. | 02:45:24 |
|  WhiteBlackGoose joined the room. | 11:07:37 |
| WhiteBlackGoose | Hey there
Do we have a CoC? Can't find it anywhere | 11:09:46 |
 Alyssa Ross | not at present | 11:13:45 |
 vcunat | NixCon did have them: https://2023.nixcon.org/code-of-conduct/
(also at least some of the past ones) | 11:16:47 |
| WhiteBlackGoose | In reply to @qyliss:fairydust.space
not at present May I ask why? | 11:44:54 |
| WhiteBlackGoose | There's a small unfolding drama with hyprland, a slight reminder why every big project needs a CoC, imo | 11:45:30 |
| vcunat | Oh https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/pull/44 | 11:50:36 |
 @linus:schreibt.jetzt | That's only for the foundation board though | 11:51:16 |
| @linus:schreibt.jetzt | There's an RFC for a community-wide code of conduct, https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/114 | 11:51:29 |
 Domen Kožar | I'd really like to see someone to work with the foundation and get us a project wide CoC | 11:52:57 |
| Domen Kožar | It's been clear in the past a number of times that we desperately need it | 11:53:36 |
| Domen Kožar | and we know we can't adopt one that everyone will like, but it will be 100x better than the current state | 11:53:58 |
| Alyssa Ross | it's not really the foundation's job imo | 11:54:12 |
| Domen Kožar | oh no, it's not our job as well, I mean just to work with us to make sure it happens | 11:54:37 |
| Alyssa Ross | ahh | 11:54:42 |
| Domen Kožar | * oh no, it's not our job at all, I mean just to work with us to make sure it happens | 11:54:42 |
| Domen Kožar | we can, hopefully, offer support by giving feedback and allocating resources (whatever that means) | 11:55:08 |
| Alyssa Ross | got it | 11:55:17 |
| WhiteBlackGoose | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
and we know we can't adopt one that everyone will like, but it will be 100x better than the current state In the worst case, just adjust it later. Otherwise just borrow one from .net foundation or rust or the like and it will cover most potential issues | 11:56:41 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | I guess I have not brought this up in this particular room before, but: I do not think our lack of a CoC is the problem, I think it is merely a symptom. there have been repeated attempts in the past to introduce one, starting effectively with RFC 98 (which is rather important context to know why RFC 114 exists), and the people introducing it got burned out | 12:12:40 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | because of endless concern trolling and other bad-faith arguing from a limited but vocal set of community members, and lacking moderation of that at the time | 12:13:09 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | in other words: introducing a CoC is not a slam-dunk item to tick off the todo list, it is a process that has already been in progress for years, and that requires a lot of work to make it actually work in any meaningful way - sure, we can declare "we have a CoC now", but if there's neither enforcement nor community mindshare behind it, then that's just some words in a markdown file | 12:14:13 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | that's not to say it isn't important, just to highlight that it is neither the whole solution, nor an easy thing to just do, under the circumstances | 12:14:52 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I personally think it makes more sense to see the CoC as an artifact or output of the moderation/community process; a registration of common values that the community has, broadly, agreed upon. as opposed to something that drives those values | 12:21:23 |
| Domen Kožar | Oh, CoC won't solve any much problems beyond establishing the norms that moderation team has been enforcing. Essentially writing down things so that implicit becomes explicit.
There are many issues having a diverse community and we can't solve them at once, but with small steps in the right direction. | 12:29:54 |
| Domen Kožar | * Oh, CoC won't solve many problems beyond establishing the norms that moderation team has been enforcing. Essentially writing down things so that implicit becomes explicit.
There are many issues having a diverse community and we can't solve them at once, but with small steps in the right direction. | 12:33:30 |
