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18 Sep 2023
@zimbatm:numtide.comJonas Chevalier
In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
I personally think it makes more sense to see the CoC as an artifact or output of the moderation/community process; a registration of common values that the community has, broadly, agreed upon. as opposed to something that drives those values

that's the moderation team's thinking as well. we want to start with an existing CoC so we don't have to re-invent everything from scratch, and will adjust it with experience. this is just one thing. we are also documenting our current practices in the "NixOS/moderation" repo (still needs more work).

another side-benefit from the CoC is that it clarifies how to report abuse as it is part of the document. Right now this isn't very discoverable IMO.

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@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa Rossyep, that's a big issue people have mentioned tome12:58:17
@whiteblackgoose:matrix.orgWhiteBlackGoose
In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
Oh, CoC won't solve any much problems beyond establishing the norms that moderation team has been enforcing. Essentially writing down things so that implicit becomes explicit.

There are many issues having a diverse community and we can't solve them at once, but with small steps in the right direction.

It will set up boundaries. Implicit and unsaid rules only make sense for hiveminds.

As a mod of (much smaller) communities myself I know how CoC (and consequential rules) make moderation easier

13:18:53
@whiteblackgoose:matrix.orgWhiteBlackGooseTaking an existing CoC is a very sane idea13:19:41
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.town(as someone with also a lot of community management experience) I do want to caution against "making moderation easier" with a CoC. in some cases that is a good thing, in some cases it's a matter of "it's easier only because we're now moderating to a paper standard rather than to outcomes", which is bad for the community itself13:20:10
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.town * (as someone with also a lot of community management experience) I do want to caution against "making moderation easier" with a CoC. in some cases that is a good thing, in some cases it's a matter of "it's easier only because we're now moderating to a paper standard rather than to outcomes", which is bad for the community itself, as it allows for rule-lawyering and toxic influencers etc. to slip through13:20:42
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.townmoderation is fundamentally hard and complicated to some degree, and if you try to simplify it beyond its "minimum complexity", you'll end up creating problematic outcomes. so it's not always desirable to chase "easier moderation"13:21:43
@softinio:matrix.orgSalar Rahmanian (softinio) ronef thanks šŸ™Ā  13:56:01
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19 Sep 2023
@whiteblackgoose:matrix.orgWhiteBlackGooseNixOS spent just 15k from OpenCollective since 2019 or so. How is it so little?13:30:01
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusthe opencollective is not a complete picture of what's going on in terms of finance13:30:30
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusmore data was posted on the discourse by Ron, a board member13:30:35
@whiteblackgoose:matrix.orgWhiteBlackGooseI see data for 2022 yeah13:32:09
@ronef:matrix.orgronefWorking on releasing the Q1/Q2/Q3 for 2023 :)15:57:52
@ronef:matrix.orgronefYou can see parts of it in the state of the union slides15:58:06
@ronef:matrix.orgronefI just need to get it into a discourse post15:58:12
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