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9 Apr 2024
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.townthe foundation could say, right now, "we will not accept Anduril as a sponsor again, and will look into additional policy going forward", and that is the sort of decisionmaking I am talking about; as opposed to trying to make a similar outcome emerge indirectly from a slow and tortuous process of formation and definition14:35:21
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.townright now, what people want to see is that the foundation is capable of making a fast judgment call when it matters, not that the foundation is capable of drafting processes, to put it bluntly14:36:11
@zimbatm:numtide.comJonas ChevalierI see, understood14:36:38
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.town * right now, what people want to see is that the foundation is capable of (and willing to!) making a fast judgment call when it matters, not that the foundation is capable of drafting processes, to put it bluntly14:36:46
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.townthis does not mean that drafting future processes is not important, it is just not the highest priority at the moment14:37:12
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.town Jonas Chevalier: can I DM you something related to this? 14:38:16
@ronef:matrix.orgronefAs always, feeling behind as I'm just waking up but reading everything now. Per the request for full disclosure - Flox has no financial ties to Anduril or any military contractors14:55:45
@joepie91:pixie.town@joepie91:pixie.town * Jonas Chevalier: can I DM you something related to this? nevermind, ronef is around now, and already has a copy of the thing I intended to send 15:02:16
@zimbatm:numtide.comJonas ChevalierDMs are open, if I don't reply it means that I am behind on the backlog16:04:39
@marsam:matrix.org@marsam:matrix.org Hi, I've been following the discussion through the PRs and Meeting Minutes (Thanks a lot Hexa!).
I signed the Against MIC Sponsorship Letter, same as 200+ contributors, and it has been disheartening to see the lack of decision/honesty(?) of the Foundation.
It feels like the Foundation does want Anduril sponsorship, and they are evoking "professionalism", etc. to avoid making a call. I hope I'm wrong.
I'm relieved and thankful to see people here working on the interest of the community
16:48:02
@julienmalka:matrix.orgJulien
In reply to @ronef:matrix.org
As always, feeling behind as I'm just waking up but reading everything now.

Per the request for full disclosure - Flox has no financial ties to Anduril or any military contractors
Again, can we have the same kind of statement from detsys to be sure there is no blatant conflict of interest on the sponsorship policy matter on the board ?
18:26:32
@julienmalka:matrix.orgJulien

Trust at our core. SOC 2 compliant, because when it comes to sensitive environments, FlakeHub is the backbone. Catering to financial services, industrial automation, and defense, we're engineered for your compliance requirements.

This doesn't inspire trust

18:27:36
@julienmalka:matrix.orgJulien *

Trust at our core. SOC 2 compliant, because when it comes to sensitive environments, FlakeHub is the backbone. Catering to financial services, industrial automation, and defense, we're engineered for your compliance requirements.

This doesn't inspire trust (extract of the detsys website)

18:49:20
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka

Eelco I personally find you sticking your head in the sand highly problematic. The blatent conflict of interest between 1. you as a foundation chair. 2. you working for Detsys. 3. Detsys (potentially) doing work for Anduril.

Can't you honestly just answer the question like the rest of the foundation did?

19:46:30
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka(To be completely honest, I am 99% sure of the answer already. But also frustated enough that this entire situation is hidden. Considering the gigantic energy stuck into this fiasco. It is, to put it nicely, very disrepectful towards all others that put their energy into this)19:50:28
@ktemkin:katesiria.org[K]ate Temkin joined the room.20:46:53
@zimbatm:numtide.comJonas ChevalierOk, I just wanted to share that we reached consensus, after 4h of conversation, and landed on something which I believe is good and represents the community input. Sorry to keep you waiting, we just need a bit more time to draft the announce and share everything, either later today or tomorrow at the latest.21:08:38
10 Apr 2024
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.org

I would also like to note that option 2, people being forced to leave the community, is already happening

Yesterday and today, about a dozen people messaged me directly that they were also concerned about this power struggle, but didn't want to speak up out of fear of being doxxed or publicly humiliated like I was.

I'm curious how many people have silently left over the years because they don't want to endure harassment, moderation action, or "the drama". I was one of them in 2021.

00:52:16
@arianvp:matrix.orgArian
In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org

Trust at our core. SOC 2 compliant, because when it comes to sensitive environments, FlakeHub is the backbone. Catering to financial services, industrial automation, and defense, we're engineered for your compliance requirements.

This doesn't inspire trust (extract of the detsys website)

SOC2 compliance is basically required for any organisation doing IT in the US doing business with any other IT business.
00:57:34
@arianvp:matrix.orgArianFwiw00:57:37
@arianvp:matrix.orgArian(not by law. But by "this is just what you need")00:57:52
@arianvp:matrix.orgArianAh nevermind. I guess you mean the word "defense". I read over it. ignore what I said 00:58:29
@samueldr:matrix.orgsamueldrI'm curious how many people silently left over the yearse because they don't want to endure harrassment, moderation inaction, or "the drama"...01:10:58
@samueldr:matrix.orgsamueldrthankfully the moderation inaction issue started being handled01:11:36
@samueldr:matrix.orgsamueldr* I'm curious how many people silently left over the years because they don't want to endure harrassment, moderation inaction, or "the drama"...03:43:41
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa
In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org

I would also like to note that option 2, people being forced to leave the community, is already happening

Yesterday and today, about a dozen people messaged me directly that they were also concerned about this power struggle, but didn't want to speak up out of fear of being doxxed or publicly humiliated like I was.

I'm curious how many people have silently left over the years because they don't want to endure harassment, moderation action, or "the drama". I was one of them in 2021.

Jon, where you work is something people can easily find out, because you published it to LinkedIn. And asking to become board observer while at the same time leading a discussion on gender minority representation in the sponsorship selection committee was bound to generate that kind of reaction. And Ron did ask to focus on the bigger picture, instead of picking out individual comments, which you yourself decided to disregard.
09:02:50
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-event-sponsorship-policy/43110 10:45:29
@hexa:lossy.networkhexapinned for the day11:04:00
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.org

Jon, where you work is something people can easily find out, because you published it to LinkedIn.

Although true, it also implies investigation into my life beyond the Nix ecosystem.

And asking to become board observer while at the same time leading a discussion on gender minority representation in the sponsorship selection committee was bound to generate that kind of reaction.

I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community.

And Ron did ask to focus on the bigger picture, instead of picking out individual comments, which you yourself decided to disregard.

I did frame it the larger picture in https://discourse.nixos.org/t/objection-to-explicit-gender-minority-preference-in-nixos-sponsorship-policy/42968

having seats for groups that are not “first priority is the success of Nix”, but rather “first priority is the success of your faction” is a mis-aligned incentive model for a software project.

13:13:41
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.orgTo avoid bringing down this channel, I'll move any further commentary to discourse13:14:31

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