| 13 Mar 2024 |
 Janik (they/them) | Yeah I agree, metrics like this are always hard and I'm not someone doing a lot of data-science. All I wanted to show with this is that it's not just a small minority of random people, but people that are fairly involved with the project. | 11:00:25 |
 patka | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
I still think it has some value. it shows that people signing it aren't just "random people". they're a core part of our community. but i don't know if we can use it as a representative metric in any way apart from that I don't think we will use it for much (because like you say it's not too useful). But if anything we can use it for the silly comments on Discourse saying "I hope these people are not a mob of rando's stating "war bad"".
Although we should just ignore those completely, probably. | 11:05:54 |
 delroth | as a reminder, https://discourse.nixos.org/t/community-calendar/18589/118 should be starting now-ish | 16:00:23 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | I'd like to note that the lassul.us Jitsi is configured to not have a lobby before joining, which is a bad fit for meetings, especially of this size | 16:12:09 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | (Also maybe there should be a proper NixOS Jitsi instead of just using random other instances?) | 16:12:32 |
 Julien | If someone has 2mn could they open an issue on nixos/infra, not able to do it right now and will after if not done and if I don’t forget | 16:26:03 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org
If someone has 2mn could they open an issue on nixos/infra, not able to do it right now and will after if not done and if I don’t forget https://github.com/NixOS/infra/issues/401 | 16:55:02 |
| delroth | takeaway from the foundation board call: we do actually have a nixos governance process! if you file an issue on a random tracker and it stays unacknowledged for 3 months with no comments from anyone, it's made into official policy | 17:09:15 |
| delroth | even if there's 100s of discourse posts from 3 months before that go completely against it - it's fine to ignore those | 17:10:04 |
| patka | Time to reconsider spending my time here, I guess | 17:19:40 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @patka_123:matrix.org
Time to reconsider spending my time here, I guess +1, I'm very disappointed with how that turned out. | 17:21:06 |
| Janik (they/them) | for anyone curious: https://pad.lassul.us/ustvshbjQAKOxmj5JsPLvQ?edit# here are the meeting notes | 17:23:48 |
 tomberek | This is not true. That "random tracker" is the official Foundation repo. This was announced in the Matrix channel specifically set aside to resolve this issue. | 17:24:46 |
| patka | Yes, yet is was a very problematic issue. So not even a single word on any of the discussion places about it actually being used is quite... not smart? | 17:26:35 |
| delroth | damn ok then I guess everyone was in agreement with the policy after all | 17:26:44 |
| patka | Good job selling out the community and negating all the concerns for a meager 5K. Good job! | 17:27:26 |
| tomberek | That is understandable. And I really do think we should further refine policy. And I can recommend ways to do it to achieve what I think you want to.
- "MIC" is really poorly defined. (eg: some consider Anduril to be a challenge and disruption to the MIC). It is also a term often specific to the US.
- The Zivilklausel as a policy + procedure is not a bad starting point because they have had so much time to clarify what it means and how they think about it.
- Don't only think about this particular incident. We have more dilemmas on the horizon: AI, corporate involvement, rise of non-free licenses, to name a few.
| 17:30:54 |
| tomberek | ( personally, I am not in favor of this specific change, but at least I can recommend a productive way to go about it ) | 17:32:54 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | No dogpiling and no snark please | 17:32:54 |
| patka | Alright no snark. If it is about money, if I send the foundation 5K right now, will that buy me the spot instead of Anduril? | 17:34:16 |
| patka | Alright no snark. If it is about money, if I send the foundation 5K right now, will that buy me the spot instead of Anduril? (serious) | 17:34:27 |
| delroth | maybe people would be more willing to engage with your theoretical discussions about defining exact multi-dimensional ethical boundaries if 1. the easy decisions weren't already being botched (Anduril being reconsidered as a sponsor when all the evidence points to the community not being ok with that); 2. the foundation chair wasn't on the record saying they oppose having to make any decision based on criteria other than legality? | 17:39:11 |
| delroth | * maybe people would be more willing to engage with your theoretical discussions about defining exact multi-dimensional ethical boundaries if 1. the easy decisions weren't already being botched (Anduril being reconsidered as a sponsor when all the evidence points to the community not being ok with that); 2. the foundation chair wasn't on the record saying they oppose having to make any decision based on criteria other than legality? | 17:39:37 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @patka_123:matrix.org
Alright no snark. If it is about money, if I send the foundation 5K right now, will that buy me the spot instead of Anduril? (serious) Profpatsch made a similar offer at last NixCon. Not sure if it was taken seriously | 17:40:28 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | I mean, being gold sponsor for an entire conference, as an individual, for only 5k … tempting indeed | 17:41:00 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | question to the Foundation: where can I find the formal statutes? | 18:04:14 |
|  @ultranix:matrix.org joined the room. | 18:04:37 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | ie. those filed with the KvK or such | 18:04:38 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
ie. those filed with the KvK or such I don't think they are public and you have to pay the kvk. | 18:05:57 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I mean, I can do that, but I figured I'd ask first in case I missed a link, as a lot of organizations do publish their statutes on their own site | 18:06:43 |
