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12 Mar 2024
@ronef:matrix.orgronefIf I missed a channel where this is relevant please feel free to share there22:25:10
@theophane:hufschmitt.net@theophane:hufschmitt.net
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If I missed a channel where this is relevant please feel free to share there
I'm sharing on the couple of relevant discourse threads
22:26:56
13 Mar 2024
@rob.vermaas:matrix.orgRob Vermaas (he/him) joined the room.05:26:40
@kaywerty:fnord.theinfinitycorporation.comK. Werty joined the room.18:28:38
@janik0:matrix.orgJanik (they/them)
In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Since it's also relevant here: https://nixos-users-against-mic-sponsorship.github.io/

~25% of all nixpkgs contributions in the last two years where done by people who signed the letter:

Calculatet using the diff between:
base and involves

09:13:01
@kaywerty:fnord.theinfinitycorporation.comK. WertyPeople can't seriously be even considering accepting a sponsorship from a military drone manufacturer.18:31:01
@janik0:matrix.orgJanik (they/them)
In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Since it's also relevant here: https://nixos-users-against-mic-sponsorship.github.io/
*

~25% of all nixpkgs contributions in the last two years were done by people who signed the letter:

Calculatet using the diff between:
base and involves

09:13:25
@janik0:matrix.orgJanik (they/them) *

~25% of all nixpkgs contributions in the last two years were done by people who signed the letter.

Calculatet using the diff between:
base and involves

09:17:01
@delroth:delroth.netdelroth
In reply to @janik0:matrix.org

~25% of all nixpkgs contributions in the last two years were done by people who signed the letter:

Calculatet using the diff between:
base and involves

Your base should probably exclude r-ryantm fwiw
10:13:46
@janik0:matrix.orgJanik (they/them) removing r-ryantm from the equation (by appending -involves:r-ryantm to the query) results in 92992 total prs and 26766 prs done by people who signed the letter, which is roughly 29% of contributions. 10:23:30
@arianvp:matrix.orgArian
In reply to @janik0:matrix.org
removing r-ryantm from the equation (by appending -involves:r-ryantm to the query) results in 92992 total prs and 26766 prs done by people who signed the letter, which is roughly 29% of contributions.
I'm not sure how valuable this metric is. I'd consider myself pretty active contributor to NixOS but not to nixpkgs. Work on more deeper things that move slower (e.g. systemd; how NixOS boots, certificate renewal, AWS support). I only have 55 PRs that I ever merged but I'd still call myself an active part of the community. I think package maintainers will have way more pull requests than people like me. it might give a skewed view of how active the community is
10:53:55
@arianvp:matrix.orgArianMe signing that letter or not signing that letter makes no dent in the metric at all. 10:54:37
@arianvp:matrix.orgArianI still think it has some value. it shows that people signing it aren't just "random people". they're a core part of our community. but i don't know if we can use it as a representative metric in any way10:55:42
@arianvp:matrix.orgArian * I still think it has some value. it shows that people signing it aren't just "random people". they're a core part of our community. but i don't know if we can use it as a representative metric in any way apart from that10:55:50
@arianvp:matrix.orgArianThat there are active core contributors opposed to a certain sponsor could of course already be enough reason to drop such a sponsor. it isn't some representative vote.10:57:43
@janik0:matrix.orgJanik (they/them)Yeah I agree, metrics like this are always hard and I'm not someone doing a lot of data-science. All I wanted to show with this is that it's not just a small minority of random people, but people that are fairly involved with the project.11:00:25
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka
In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
I still think it has some value. it shows that people signing it aren't just "random people". they're a core part of our community. but i don't know if we can use it as a representative metric in any way apart from that
I don't think we will use it for much (because like you say it's not too useful). But if anything we can use it for the silly comments on Discourse saying "I hope these people are not a mob of rando's stating "war bad"".

Although we should just ignore those completely, probably.
11:05:54
@delroth:delroth.netdelrothas a reminder, https://discourse.nixos.org/t/community-calendar/18589/118 should be starting now-ish16:00:23
@piegames:matrix.orgpiegamesI'd like to note that the lassul.us Jitsi is configured to not have a lobby before joining, which is a bad fit for meetings, especially of this size16:12:09
@piegames:matrix.orgpiegames(Also maybe there should be a proper NixOS Jitsi instead of just using random other instances?)16:12:32
@julienmalka:matrix.orgJulienIf someone has 2mn could they open an issue on nixos/infra, not able to do it right now and will after if not done and if I don’t forget16:26:03
@janik0:matrix.orgJanik (they/them)
In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org
If someone has 2mn could they open an issue on nixos/infra, not able to do it right now and will after if not done and if I don’t forget
https://github.com/NixOS/infra/issues/401
16:55:02
@delroth:delroth.netdelrothtakeaway from the foundation board call: we do actually have a nixos governance process! if you file an issue on a random tracker and it stays unacknowledged for 3 months with no comments from anyone, it's made into official policy17:09:15
@delroth:delroth.netdelrotheven if there's 100s of discourse posts from 3 months before that go completely against it - it's fine to ignore those17:10:04
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka Time to reconsider spending my time here, I guess 17:19:40
@janik0:matrix.orgJanik (they/them)
In reply to @patka_123:matrix.org
Time to reconsider spending my time here, I guess
+1, I'm very disappointed with how that turned out.
17:21:06
@janik0:matrix.orgJanik (they/them)for anyone curious: https://pad.lassul.us/ustvshbjQAKOxmj5JsPLvQ?edit# here are the meeting notes17:23:48
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekThis is not true. That "random tracker" is the official Foundation repo. This was announced in the Matrix channel specifically set aside to resolve this issue.17:24:46
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka Yes, yet is was a very problematic issue. So not even a single word on any of the discussion places about it actually being used is quite... not smart? 17:26:35
@delroth:delroth.netdelrothdamn ok then I guess everyone was in agreement with the policy after all17:26:44

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