| 8 Sep 2023 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | it is not related to any of the other points being discussed | 11:55:26 |
 vcunat | Oh, I understood it the way that the "military" were the unprivileged in this case, opposed by the others. My bad I guess, I don't know. | 11:56:45 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | vcunat: to clarify (according to my understanding): Arian was making the point that I was speaking from a privileged position regarding "do we need military or not", on the premise that I am not in a war-torn country, and therefore not in a position to speak on the matter. I then responded that I am not speaking from a privileged position, because I wasn't making any assertions about needing militaries at all, precisely because of those complexities - and rather, I'm talking about the way that some community members feel comfortable behaving not just around the topic of Anduril but also previous conflicts, none of which are influenced by whether I am in a war-torn country | 12:03:22 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | * vcunat: to clarify (according to my understanding): Arian was making the point that I was speaking from a privileged position regarding "do we need military or not", on the premise that I am not in a war-torn country, and therefore not in a position to speak on the matter. I then responded that I am not speaking from a privileged position, because I wasn't making any assertions about needing militaries at all, precisely because of those complexities - and rather, I'm talking about the way that some community members feel comfortable behaving not just around the topic of Anduril but also previous conflicts (like RFC98), none of which are influenced by whether I am in a war-torn country | 12:03:39 |
| vcunat | Yes, I agree, retrospectively. | 12:03:49 |
 Arian | Your summary is correct joepie | 12:08:29 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (FYI, setting the thread to slow mode does not solve the problem, and it is continuing to be a trashfire) | 15:53:55 |
| vcunat | Suggesting some solution might help. (to the moderation team; others probably can't enforce it) | 15:57:45 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I did, several years ago. | 15:58:47 |
| vcunat | We could close the topic. | 15:58:49 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | actually starting to moderate bad-faith arguing. | 15:59:00 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | including sealioning and other forms of concern trolling. | 15:59:14 |
| vcunat | Most of the latest posts got hidden, probably due to user flags. (also your last post; I can't see why... perhaps I don't think I have sufficient privileges) | 16:02:55 |
| vcunat | * Most of the latest posts got hidden, probably due to user flags. (also your last post; I can't see why... perhaps I don't think I have sufficient privileges to see) | 16:03:11 |
| vcunat | Well, I'm not a best person to try moderating discussions anyway. | 16:03:27 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | they seem to be auto-hidden due to 'community flags', ie. a number of people flagging it | 16:03:42 |
| vcunat | I might've even made this topic worse by my posts. | 16:03:48 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | based on the automated messages I have gotten from Discourse | 16:03:52 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (and I have a pretty good idea of why that happened) | 16:04:03 |
| vcunat | People with moderation rights can easily override the results of flagging. And often discourse pings them anyway if it's uncertain whether to hide posts or not. Or something like that (I have moderation rights on a different discourse instance). | 16:05:24 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | yeah, that is why I have not been loudly complaining about the flagging; I'm waiting to see if a moderator resolves the issue | 16:05:57 |
| vcunat | Right now people are busy with NixCon, so I don't expect the moderation team to be reacting within an hour. | 16:06:03 |
| vcunat | I could close it. I seem to have permissions for that, but I doubt it would help significantly. | 16:06:46 |
| vcunat | Usually someone opens another related topic and it's even worse. | 16:07:36 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I think closing it would only help if a) there was a specified time period for which the topic as a whole were banned forum-wide, after which it will be considered when more moderator capacity is available, and b) that were actually enforced on new threads as well | 16:09:21 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | under any other circumstances, yeah, I expect it to just get worse | 16:09:38 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (like, "this will be closed for the next N days until nixcon is over and moderators can dig into what happened" or so) | 16:10:15 |
 adamcstephens (buzz) | I think the closing of the thread was the best choice. It’s clear there are fundamental disagreements about how the world does and should work, and continuing to take jabs at and build intolerance towards each other is not good for the community. While I know where I stand, it’s clear to me that the thread was never going to provide any sort of resolution. I will say, for my part, I’m sorry if I participated in furthering the divide. | 16:48:32 |
 raitobezarius | In reply to @vcunat:matrix.org
Right now people are busy with NixCon, so I don't expect the moderation team to be reacting within an hour. We do follow the situation as much as we do FWIW | 16:51:00 |
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