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| Public room for chatting with the NixOS Foundation Board | 111 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 3 May 2024 | ||
 nat-418 | * that's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's spiralling AWS bill | 12:05:32 |
| nat-418 | * that's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's large AWS bill | 12:07:57 |
| nat-418 | * that's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's large infra bill | 12:08:42 |
| nat-418 | * that's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's large infra bill. I see Guix as a sibling project of Nix, and it's probably good to reach out and ask how their experience has been with their association model. | 12:09:50 |
| nat-418 | * That's 6.75 times bigger than the NixOS Foundation and I'm sure they don't envy Nix's large infra bill. I see Guix as a sibling project of Nix, and it's probably good to reach out and ask how their experience has been with their association model. | 12:09:57 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | ronef: I don't know if Deuxfleurs (the folks behind Garage) match our project structure close enough but it's probably worth reaching out to them, they seem to be doing well | 12:25:26 |
 infinisil | Note that governmence and assembly discussions on Zulip have started, see https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/issues/143 for how to join | 13:21:57 |
 ronef | Will reach out today, thanks! joepie91 🏳️🌈: nat-418: Arian: | 13:45:36 |
 @ultranix:matrix.org joined the room. | 13:50:06 | |
 hayden joined the room. | 14:12:10 | |
| ronef | Since we have transitioned all governance related conversations to Zulip, all communications and discussions will be there. I will try my best to keep other channels apprised as an FYI but please do sign up if you want to be up to date :) Latest topic from our end is organizing open calls for the following few weeks that you can provide your availability for and I will do my best to schedule during times that fit the most amount of folks <3 https://nixpkgs.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/435939-board | 21:40:20 |
 @emma:rory.gay | yet another chat app, and one that happens to be not federated, what can i say except im a little dissapointed | 22:05:51 |
 f0x | it makes sense, given its features for structure to keep things organized | 22:07:12 |
 Janik (they/them) | In reply to @emma:rory.gayWe discussed that lengthy in #platform-governance:nixos.org (formerly the governance chat), and everyone had a chance to voice their opinion. Also Zulip makes a lot more sense for structured discussions, it's quite comparable to discourse just for real time messaging without encryption and worse moderation features then discourse (still better then matrix). | 22:09:35 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @emma:rory.gay* We discussed that to length in #platform-governance:nixos.org (formerly the governance chat), and everyone had a chance to voice their opinion. Also Zulip makes a lot more sense for structured discussions, it's quite comparable to discourse just for real time messaging without encryption and worse moderation features then discourse (still better then matrix). | 22:10:31 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i wasnt aware that a choice was even being made, also are you saying matrix has terrible moderation tooling? | 22:11:23 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @emma:rory.gayI'm not saying matrix moderation tooling is terrible, but I'm saying it's not good, esp. compared to discourse. | 22:12:25 |
| Janik (they/them) |
That's not our fault, the governance channel was as visible as every other matrix channel in the space, and it only affects governance discussions. There is no point to rehash this now since it was already decided and no one screamed stop in the process. (btw zulip is in the same sense federated that irc is and afaik we could just go and self host a instance if we plan to use zulip in the long run.) | 22:14:23 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I consider zulip fine in this case specifically because it is a temporary setup that needed to exist very quickly to solve an acute problem and with minimal disruption to the governance proceedings themselves | 22:15:48 |
 tomberek | Is it self-hosted now? | 22:16:32 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I would have a problem with the broader community being moved there, but right now this was the only thing that made sense for this specific purpose | 22:16:32 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.orgI don't think s. cc @raitobezarius | 22:18:23 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org* I don't think so. cc @raitobezarius | 22:18:30 |
 Dandellion | In reply to @janik0:matrix.orgWhile I can't legitimately argue for using matrix. I think this is a kind of bad take based on how quickly the decision was made and the conversation moved to who and how policy. We're talking single digit hours here. People not having a chance to speak up is completely reasonable. | 22:22:03 |
| Dandellion | There are also probably some optics issues with a small group of people kind moving the governance discussions off-platform, but I think is fine as long as we take the discussion again after the bootstrapping assembly process is completed and we do "real" governance discussions | 22:27:39 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @dandellion:dodsorf.as I'd agree with you if it affected more then just governance and if it was longer then temporary. Also the governance discussions being invite only is a feature we want here since discourse and matrix where both brigaded by sock puppets everytime we had governance discussions. Please also keep in mind that we are on a very strict timeline of less then 14 days. | 22:31:41 |
 hexa | In reply to @emma:rory.gayyes, compared to discourse every moderation toolbox has been terrible so far | 22:34:35 |
| hexa | In reply to @tomberek:matrix.orgno, sponsored cloud for open source organisations | 22:34:47 |
| @emma:rory.gay | In reply to @hexa:lossy.networkive never used discourse before but i dont see what matrix is lacking | 22:37:42 |
| Dandellion | I believe the decision was the correct one, so I'm not going to play devil's advocate or concern-troll or anything. But us being on a strict schedule is not a reason I want to see being used throughout the project while a small group with the resources to take time off/live in the correct timezone do all the decisionmaking. I don't really think this will be an issue, but I find it important to highlight either way based on the deflecting tone in your reply to this concern being raised | 22:39:36 |