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| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 11 Apr 2024 | ||
 Janik (they/them) | Fwiw there is a conflict of Interest policy in a pr https://github.com/NixOS/foundation/pull/40 but I don't know the current state of it. | 14:14:05 |
 pareto-optimal-dev | In reply to @janik0:matrix.orgPerhaps the best course of action is to simply try to get this passed? | 14:18:00 |
 @jonringer:matrix.org |
I know it doesn't mean much coming from me. But the sponsorship wouldn't compensate any of the members personally, nor would it likely contribute to any of the consulting companies securing or not securing a contract (not to mention, likely illegal). Jonas can correct me if I'm wrong, but the intent there was to ensure that a member wasn't influencing board decisions for anything other than the betterment of the Nix ecosystem (which I agree with). | 14:43:37 |
 delroth | that's a very narrow definition of "conflict of interest", there's a lot of indirect pressures and biases that come up when you have to take decisions regarding people that fund you | 14:50:29 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | I agree, there's more nuance. | 14:51:17 |
| delroth | how does it reflect on (imaginary example to specifically not say detsys) flox/anduril relationships if the CEO of flox says "no we don't want nixos to be sponsored by anduril" basically | 14:51:24 |
| delroth | even the doubt that there might be retaliation is enough to influence decisions | 14:51:43 |
| delroth | which is why usually people willingly remove themselves from those decisions and declare their conflicts of interest... | 14:52:07 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | I partially agree with some of your points, however, I'm not in a position currently to expand further (given my employment). And I think my views as a veteran of the USAF (and first hand experience within the military) will likely get conflated with my current employment. | 14:57:12 |
| delroth | I also don't think it's an exact science btw - there's a very wide spectrum of indirect biases (what about fear of missing out on future money, for example?), but in general "is currently actively taking money from the subject of the decision" seems like a good clear threshold to start with | 14:58:29 |
| delroth | (and I personally believe you solve the other indirect biases by increasing diversity of viewpoints, which as mentioned above is currently a bit lacking in a board where 100% of members are in positions where anduril could theoretically very well be their client) | 14:59:49 |
| delroth | * (and I personally believe you solve the other indirect biases by increasing diversity of viewpoints, which as mentioned above is currently a bit lacking in a board where 100% of members are in positions where anduril could theoretically very well become their client) | 15:00:09 |
 problems | something i haven't seen discussed at all, who exactly benefits from anduril's sponsorship? because it's certainly not me. | 15:05:15 |
| problems | it doesn't seem to me that we're in any dire need to accept money from anyone given the project's enormous balance on opencollective and the comparatively low budget | 15:07:40 |
| problems | * it doesn't seem to me that we're in any dire need to accept money from anyone given the project's enormous balance on opencollective and the comparatively low disbursement | 15:08:14 |
| delroth | In reply to @kity:kity.wtfthe foundation is not properly updating financials on opencollective so you're not seeing the whole financials | 15:09:02 |
| delroth | the foundation is in fact very in the red right now and burning through saved money | 15:09:11 |
| problems | on what exactly? | 15:09:27 |
| delroth | AWS, mostly | 15:09:35 |
| problems | where is the most recent call for sponsors? | 15:11:24 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtfthere is some context on the aws cost in #infra:nixos.org , see https://matrix.to/#/!RROtHmAaQIkiJzJZZE:nixos.org/$nWTikt11GZt3z3VljXujxyYiaGFLQdqRajaKcnQfd2E?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev | 15:12:21 |
| delroth | In reply to @janik0:matrix.orgthat's just the tip of the iceberg | 15:13:43 |
| delroth | that discussion from yesterday is not representative of the infra costs or of the foundation total spendings in general | 15:14:07 |
| delroth | and if you're interested in that I don't think diving into specifics of the AWS bill for a specific service is going to be a particularly useful way to get started | 15:14:25 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtfI don't think there is a active ongoing call for sponsors (afaik), you can of course always donate to the foundation using open collective. There is work being done on elevating those costs, but that was mostly put on ice because we didn't have any infra capacity for the last month or so to do more the keeping the lights on because people were striking. And btw I'm very happy to see work happening in the infra channel, it fills my heart with joy. | 15:15:58 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf* I don't think there is a active ongoing call for sponsors (afaik), you can of course always donate to the foundation using open collective. There is work being done on elevating those costs, but that was mostly put on ice because we didn't have any infra capacity for the last month or so to do more then keeping the lights on because people were striking. And btw I'm very happy to see work happening in the infra channel, it fills my heart with joy. | 15:16:48 |
| delroth | my understanding is that the foundation reaches out to sponsor privately, a lot (thanks Ron!), but there isn't a lot of transparency around financials being published and not a lot of public fundraising happening | 15:17:10 |
| delroth | to be clear: a $5K one time Anduril sponsorship doesn't change anything to the situation regardless | 15:17:27 |
| delroth | * my understanding is that the foundation reaches out to sponsors privately, a lot (thanks Ron!), but there isn't a lot of transparency around financials being published and not a lot of public fundraising happening | 15:17:58 |
| problems | so to be clear there is an active crisis, which has not been publicly stated, the only place you can look at nixos financials is completely incorrect, and all we can talk about is jonringer's employer? | 15:18:06 |