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9 Apr 2024
@julienmalka:matrix.orgJulien

Trust at our core. SOC 2 compliant, because when it comes to sensitive environments, FlakeHub is the backbone. Catering to financial services, industrial automation, and defense, we're engineered for your compliance requirements.

This doesn't inspire trust

18:27:36
@julienmalka:matrix.orgJulien *

Trust at our core. SOC 2 compliant, because when it comes to sensitive environments, FlakeHub is the backbone. Catering to financial services, industrial automation, and defense, we're engineered for your compliance requirements.

This doesn't inspire trust (extract of the detsys website)

18:49:20
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka

Eelco I personally find you sticking your head in the sand highly problematic. The blatent conflict of interest between 1. you as a foundation chair. 2. you working for Detsys. 3. Detsys (potentially) doing work for Anduril.

Can't you honestly just answer the question like the rest of the foundation did?

19:46:30
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka(To be completely honest, I am 99% sure of the answer already. But also frustated enough that this entire situation is hidden. Considering the gigantic energy stuck into this fiasco. It is, to put it nicely, very disrepectful towards all others that put their energy into this)19:50:28
@ktemkin:katesiria.org[K]ate Temkin joined the room.20:46:53
@zimbatm:numtide.comJonas ChevalierOk, I just wanted to share that we reached consensus, after 4h of conversation, and landed on something which I believe is good and represents the community input. Sorry to keep you waiting, we just need a bit more time to draft the announce and share everything, either later today or tomorrow at the latest.21:08:38
10 Apr 2024
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.org

I would also like to note that option 2, people being forced to leave the community, is already happening

Yesterday and today, about a dozen people messaged me directly that they were also concerned about this power struggle, but didn't want to speak up out of fear of being doxxed or publicly humiliated like I was.

I'm curious how many people have silently left over the years because they don't want to endure harassment, moderation action, or "the drama". I was one of them in 2021.

00:52:16
@arianvp:matrix.orgArian
In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.org

Trust at our core. SOC 2 compliant, because when it comes to sensitive environments, FlakeHub is the backbone. Catering to financial services, industrial automation, and defense, we're engineered for your compliance requirements.

This doesn't inspire trust (extract of the detsys website)

SOC2 compliance is basically required for any organisation doing IT in the US doing business with any other IT business.
00:57:34
@arianvp:matrix.orgArianFwiw00:57:37
@arianvp:matrix.orgArian(not by law. But by "this is just what you need")00:57:52
@arianvp:matrix.orgArianAh nevermind. I guess you mean the word "defense". I read over it. ignore what I said 00:58:29
@samueldr:matrix.orgsamueldrI'm curious how many people silently left over the yearse because they don't want to endure harrassment, moderation inaction, or "the drama"...01:10:58
@samueldr:matrix.orgsamueldrthankfully the moderation inaction issue started being handled01:11:36
@samueldr:matrix.orgsamueldr* I'm curious how many people silently left over the years because they don't want to endure harrassment, moderation inaction, or "the drama"...03:43:41
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa
In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org

I would also like to note that option 2, people being forced to leave the community, is already happening

Yesterday and today, about a dozen people messaged me directly that they were also concerned about this power struggle, but didn't want to speak up out of fear of being doxxed or publicly humiliated like I was.

I'm curious how many people have silently left over the years because they don't want to endure harassment, moderation action, or "the drama". I was one of them in 2021.

Jon, where you work is something people can easily find out, because you published it to LinkedIn. And asking to become board observer while at the same time leading a discussion on gender minority representation in the sponsorship selection committee was bound to generate that kind of reaction. And Ron did ask to focus on the bigger picture, instead of picking out individual comments, which you yourself decided to disregard.
09:02:50
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-event-sponsorship-policy/43110 10:45:29
@hexa:lossy.networkhexapinned for the day11:04:00
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.org

Jon, where you work is something people can easily find out, because you published it to LinkedIn.

Although true, it also implies investigation into my life beyond the Nix ecosystem.

And asking to become board observer while at the same time leading a discussion on gender minority representation in the sponsorship selection committee was bound to generate that kind of reaction.

I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community.

And Ron did ask to focus on the bigger picture, instead of picking out individual comments, which you yourself decided to disregard.

I did frame it the larger picture in https://discourse.nixos.org/t/objection-to-explicit-gender-minority-preference-in-nixos-sponsorship-policy/42968

having seats for groups that are not “first priority is the success of Nix”, but rather “first priority is the success of your faction” is a mis-aligned incentive model for a software project.

13:13:41
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.orgTo avoid bringing down this channel, I'll move any further commentary to discourse13:14:31
@delroth:delroth.netdelroth

I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community.

You don't get to claim that when you're complaining you can't bring politics (military sponsorships) into the project. Everyone was very happy not having to deal with this until it was forced onto the community.

13:20:53
@delroth:delroth.netdelroth *

I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community.

You don't get to claim that when you're also complaining you can't bring politics (military sponsorships) into the project. Everyone was very happy not having to deal with this until it was forced onto the community.

13:21:03
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa

I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community.

It is my impression that we have these kinds of voice in the foundation board already

13:21:05
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa *

I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community.

It is my impression that we have these kinds of voices in the foundation board already

13:21:13
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka(Although I find this interpretation of doxing debatable, considering nothing is private, I simply heard it from someone else and was sufficiently annoyed. No investigation or crusade ever took place. I apologized privately, talked with the mods and asked them to remove the post. Using this as some sort of defense, is disingenious at best)13:23:56
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.org

It is my impression that we have these kinds of voices in the foundation board already

Yes, but it's creating a "board vs community" narrative. E.g.

Everyone was very happy not having to deal with this until it was forced onto the community.

13:25:25
@delroth:delroth.netdelrothYes, the whole problem is that the board took a politically loaded action by accepting an Anduril sponsorship. A board focused on "keeping Nix about technology" would have easily seen the loss of community trust and contributors that such a politically loaded action would lead to and taken the neutral stance of rejecting a political sponsor.13:28:03
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatkaRedacted or Malformed Event13:28:33
@jonringer:matrix.org@jonringer:matrix.orgI think this would be better continued on discourse13:29:03
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@samueldr:matrix.orgsamueldr

I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community.

The discussions never were about that. The foundation already was about "keep Nix about technology".

The foundation was so strongly only about that, that it was not equipped with the means to react to a problematic situation where a clash in values of the community would happen.

What happened is that, at first through inaction, the foundation signalled that it was fine with values that are controversial.

The Foundation AFAIUI exists for the sole purpose of being a solid bedrock for the Nix project and its ecosystem to live and prosper. With the past events, trust in the ability of the board members was breached, twice. And I have yet to read and reason about the last 12 hours of happenings.

So, saying at this point in time that this is all about keeping it about the Nix technology is a moot point: keeping the current status quo means that weapons manufacturers are a-okay. The status quo has been moved already.

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