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| 9 Apr 2024 | ||
This doesn't inspire trust | 18:27:36 | |
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This doesn't inspire trust (extract of the detsys website) | 18:49:20 | |
| Eelco I personally find you sticking your head in the sand highly problematic. The blatent conflict of interest between 1. you as a foundation chair. 2. you working for Detsys. 3. Detsys (potentially) doing work for Anduril. Can't you honestly just answer the question like the rest of the foundation did? | 19:46:30 | |
| (To be completely honest, I am 99% sure of the answer already. But also frustated enough that this entire situation is hidden. Considering the gigantic energy stuck into this fiasco. It is, to put it nicely, very disrepectful towards all others that put their energy into this) | 19:50:28 | |
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| Ok, I just wanted to share that we reached consensus, after 4h of conversation, and landed on something which I believe is good and represents the community input. Sorry to keep you waiting, we just need a bit more time to draft the announce and share everything, either later today or tomorrow at the latest. | 21:08:38 | |
| 10 Apr 2024 | ||
Yesterday and today, about a dozen people messaged me directly that they were also concerned about this power struggle, but didn't want to speak up out of fear of being doxxed or publicly humiliated like I was. I'm curious how many people have silently left over the years because they don't want to endure harassment, moderation action, or "the drama". I was one of them in 2021. | 00:52:16 | |
In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.orgSOC2 compliance is basically required for any organisation doing IT in the US doing business with any other IT business. | 00:57:34 | |
| Fwiw | 00:57:37 | |
| (not by law. But by "this is just what you need") | 00:57:52 | |
| Ah nevermind. I guess you mean the word "defense". I read over it. ignore what I said | 00:58:29 | |
| I'm curious how many people silently left over the yearse because they don't want to endure harrassment, moderation inaction, or "the drama"... | 01:10:58 | |
| thankfully the moderation inaction issue started being handled | 01:11:36 | |
| * I'm curious how many people silently left over the years because they don't want to endure harrassment, moderation inaction, or "the drama"... | 03:43:41 | |
In reply to @jonringer:matrix.orgJon, where you work is something people can easily find out, because you published it to LinkedIn. And asking to become board observer while at the same time leading a discussion on gender minority representation in the sponsorship selection committee was bound to generate that kind of reaction. And Ron did ask to focus on the bigger picture, instead of picking out individual comments, which you yourself decided to disregard. | 09:02:50 | |
| https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-event-sponsorship-policy/43110 | 10:45:29 | |
| pinned for the day | 11:04:00 | |
Although true, it also implies investigation into my life beyond the Nix ecosystem.
I don't think there's a voice for "keep Nix about technology" portion of the community.
I did frame it the larger picture in https://discourse.nixos.org/t/objection-to-explicit-gender-minority-preference-in-nixos-sponsorship-policy/42968
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| To avoid bringing down this channel, I'll move any further commentary to discourse | 13:14:31 | |
You don't get to claim that when you're complaining you can't bring politics (military sponsorships) into the project. Everyone was very happy not having to deal with this until it was forced onto the community. | 13:20:53 | |
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You don't get to claim that when you're also complaining you can't bring politics (military sponsorships) into the project. Everyone was very happy not having to deal with this until it was forced onto the community. | 13:21:03 | |
It is my impression that we have these kinds of voice in the foundation board already | 13:21:05 | |
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It is my impression that we have these kinds of voices in the foundation board already | 13:21:13 | |
| (Although I find this interpretation of doxing debatable, considering nothing is private, I simply heard it from someone else and was sufficiently annoyed. No investigation or crusade ever took place. I apologized privately, talked with the mods and asked them to remove the post. Using this as some sort of defense, is disingenious at best) | 13:23:56 | |
Yes, but it's creating a "board vs community" narrative. E.g.
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| Yes, the whole problem is that the board took a politically loaded action by accepting an Anduril sponsorship. A board focused on "keeping Nix about technology" would have easily seen the loss of community trust and contributors that such a politically loaded action would lead to and taken the neutral stance of rejecting a political sponsor. | 13:28:03 | |
| Redacted or Malformed Event | 13:28:33 | |
| I think this would be better continued on discourse | 13:29:03 | |
| 13:29:54 | ||
The discussions never were about that. The foundation already was about "keep Nix about technology". The foundation was so strongly only about that, that it was not equipped with the means to react to a problematic situation where a clash in values of the community would happen. What happened is that, at first through inaction, the foundation signalled that it was fine with values that are controversial. The Foundation AFAIUI exists for the sole purpose of being a solid bedrock for the Nix project and its ecosystem to live and prosper. With the past events, trust in the ability of the board members was breached, twice. And I have yet to read and reason about the last 12 hours of happenings. So, saying at this point in time that this is all about keeping it about the Nix technology is a moot point: keeping the current status quo means that weapons manufacturers are a-okay. The status quo has been moved already. | 17:28:48 | |