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| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 9 Apr 2024 | ||
 @delroth:delroth.net | (And yes, both sides of the debate are obviously doing this) | 10:15:04 |
 @patka_123:matrix.org | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.compiegames I don't want to interfere in any of these conversations. Just please take care of yourself though, this process is draining and you are on a holiday. Just a small note out of concern, nothing more :) | 10:15:25 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | Sunday's meeting ended with a selection committee stacked in a way that made people against Anduril sponsorships comfortable, so obviously the next day we had jonringer questioning the composition of the selection commitee, then today we have tomberek questioning the legitimacy of the PL team which is planned to be part of the selection committee (and you helpfully taking that as a sign we should remove the PL seat, shifitng the balance). | 10:17:05 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | It's all stupid politics games. | 10:17:14 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comNext time I'm on my laptop +2h. So this night but not before the meeting today unfortunately | 10:17:21 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @patka_123:matrix.orgThanks. I can't relax either way until this is out of the door, so … | 10:18:17 |
 Jonas Chevalier | Can I maybe also clear some misunderstanding I see. I think there is a conflict in expectations of what is excepted from the board. There are largely two different models that I see.
When the foundation says it doesn't want to be involved in this, I think it largely stems in wanting to be (2). Internally, the discussion we had is that no-military is a difficult criteria to apply since there is so many gradients in there, and we didn't feel equipped to deal with this. I would like to dispel this idea that the foundation is pro military. I don't think this is what is happening. Does that help a little bit? | 10:20:04 |
 jakegrin | Do foundation members have financial ties with Anduril in some way? Is there a conflict of interest? | 10:23:57 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | I don't know where to start: the foundation is involved in this, the board was asked to approve an Anduril sponsorship (post NixCon EU incident) and approved it, there are meeting notes about this. | 10:24:05 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | In reply to @jakegrin:matrix.orgNo obvious known one, though of course nobody knows for sure who the consulting companies consult with. | 10:25:28 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Numtide has no financial ties to Anduril or any military contractors | 10:26:25 |
| jakegrin | Redacted or Malformed Event | 10:28:04 |
| Jonas Chevalier | But this is a different topic. I'd like us to disclose conflicts of interests a bit more. | 10:28:17 |
 raitobezarius | In reply to @jakegrin:matrix.orgYou mean me? | 10:29:47 |
| jakegrin | Redacted or Malformed Event | 10:30:28 |
| Jonas Chevalier | In reply to @delroth:delroth.netI think that's a big part of the conflict. If you view the foundation as a machine, you want the machine to have predictable outcomes. So the way a decision is made is to take some input, like a sponsorship request, pass it trough some filters, like the foundation mission statement (which we did), and then base your decision on that. | 10:30:39 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I am not naive and I know there is this pro/anti thing going on as well. | 10:31:31 |
 @qyliss:fairydust.space left the room. | 10:31:36 | |
| @delroth:delroth.net | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comI don't view the foundation as a machine, I don't think that's ever desirable. Case in point: your "machine" couldn't evaluate that taking an Anduril sponsorship would possibly permanently damage the community. | 10:33:21 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | Maybe humans could have if they decided to think about it and listen. | 10:33:33 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I think you're making my point :) | 10:34:22 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I'm not saying if it's good or bad, just offering a different perspective | 10:35:02 |
 Janik (they/them) | In reply to @jakegrin:matrix.orgI can only speak for myself, I obviously do not have any ties to anduril. No idea about Flox, DetSys and Tweag. | 10:35:48 |
| Janik (they/them) | In reply to @jakegrin:matrix.orgRyantm is not associated with the board as far as I'm aware. | 10:36:33 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Too much of the conversation is stuck in pro/con land. But actually we all care about NixOS, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Some of the conflict is in the misunderstanding. | 10:36:34 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comWhat misunderstanding? Yes, it's pro/con land. What are you expecting? "Oh actually no I'm ok with autonomous weapons they made a good point"? | 10:37:36 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Ok, nevermind | 10:40:03 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | I think we tried really hard on reaching a policy which dodges the pro/com MIC issue. And as of yesterday, I convinced that the approach failed and that we need am alternative | 10:41:17 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | To expand on my previous point: this is the problem with pushing people past their unnegotiable ethical boundaries. No, people don't usually compromise on that, or they do so against significant well-being. You'd think the people pushing for MIC sponsorships would realize that and stop, but I'm starting to suspect they enjoy fragmenting the community. | 10:50:48 |
 Julien | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.comCan Determinate Systems make the same statement ? | 10:51:41 |