| 19 Apr 2024 |
 @alejandrosame:matrix.org | But again NLnet doesn't necessarily have the same goals as nixpkgs | 20:38:15 |
 @delroth:delroth.net | do you think nlnet is properly aware of what they're getting out of SoN? | 20:38:31 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | also, low efficiency isn't really debatable when you take groups of 5 participants and they end up having lower output (even after months of being in the program) than I'd expect a single nixpkgs committer would have in the same unit of time | 20:41:20 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | (we've seen this in practice with e.g. pretalx) | 20:41:37 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | (where, on top of being duplicated work, the duplicated work took significantly more person-hours than what ended up being done by a single contributor in nixpkgs) | 20:41:57 |
| @alejandrosame:matrix.org | In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
do you think nlnet is properly aware of what they're getting out of SoN? No clue tbh | 20:42:28 |
 Janik (they/them) | First of all to be fully transparent: I'm one of the facilitator for this year and thus have a financial tie to this project.
- In the end this is an NLnet project, not a NixOS foundation project, so their own pressure on setting their own objectives has to be taken into account.
that's not entirely true, since it's a project in colab with the nixos foundation and all the financial stuff and contracts are handled through the foundation.
| 20:44:07 |
| @delroth:delroth.net | also, even if nlnet strictly set the goals (which I don't believe they do - it's probably fairly loosely defined, as it should be), there would still be significant leeway in how to achieve those goals, and that's the space I think would be worth exploring because I don't believe the SoN methods are being effective | 20:45:39 |
| @alejandrosame:matrix.org | In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
also, low efficiency isn't really debatable when you take groups of 5 participants and they end up having lower output (even after months of being in the program) than I'd expect a single nixpkgs committer would have in the same unit of time My comment of being debatable is more on the point of under which constraints are we talking about. Aka, I'm willing to talk specifics in detail to understand myself whenever I ran projects like this, but also I'm not a person with any decision making impact in any of this. | 20:46:10 |
