 | NixOS Binary Cache Self-Hosting | 170 Members |
| About how to host a very large-scale binary cache and more | 58 Servers |
| NixOS Binary Cache Self-Hosting | 170 Members |
| About how to host a very large-scale binary cache and more | 58 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 6 Mar 2024 | ||
 Domen Kožar left the room. | 14:24:02 | |
 Julien | damn | 14:26:04 |
 patka | Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. My point about burnout is:
| 14:27:58 |
| patka | Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. One of the reasons people might get burned out is people coming together on an already difficult topic (the discourse thread about GC started a very long time ago and is very long) and put their energy into fixing. Then one week before they presumable start with it someone comes in with "Yo trust me, I think I'll get money" and "weird decisions" are being made. Saying things like "that's how the world works" after people voicing their opinions that don't suit yours. It is tiring to have to explain yourself constantly and then just getting this unthoughtful response. If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things | 14:30:13 |
 hexa | wow | 14:32:10 |
| hexa | * welp | 14:32:26 |
 adamcstephens 🐝 | sometimes all the smiley faces in the world can't fix the words themselves. | 14:34:55 |
| patka | Your point about burnout was that if we self-host then people might leave and we are left with a broken system that no one will handle. (as least that's my interpretation on the words above, otherwise they are not clear enough to me). Which makes sense. My point about burnout is:
If your objective is "to make Nix succeed, at all cost", I'd implore to consider rethinking some things | 14:35:23 |
| patka | This wasn't my intention, and I would hate it if the momentum behing this is now gone. Are we going to wait until there might be a message from somewhere that there is sponsoring, or are we going to ask what the foundation thinks, or maybe continue with the plan that was already made? | 14:43:31 |
 raitobezarius | I don't see any reason to change course given the recent elements | 14:44:20 |
| raitobezarius | For the sake of charitable interpretation, I will write this as Domen being confused | 14:44:44 |
| raitobezarius | As he didn't partake in any relevant meeting regarding cache in the past months AFAIK | 14:45:04 |
| patka | Because I have a feeling that (and it might be very wrong) that the natural course of things happening and what eventually might happen is people losing energy and just leaving it for what it is | 14:45:22 |
| raitobezarius | If that's the case, I would encourage people to communicate that they feel they're losing energy and does not want to engage anymore, it's really hard to do more than that ; Domen is not the infra team | 14:46:12 |
| raitobezarius | Infra team remains empowered to carve their paths and the various baby steps laid out for the next months | 14:46:37 |
| raitobezarius | Next board meeting, we will discuss this suggestion from Domen and I will have more news to share | 14:47:03 |
| patka | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.orgNor do I, but again, my opinion is not very valuable on this. Just wanted to ask the opinions of the people involved. I think flokli for example said (not really, but that's my interpretation) that he wants to wait until there is a solid plan before going further | 14:47:30 |
| raitobezarius | But I don't see any reason for why we would have a sudden change in course beyond the one we decided for w.r.t to GC in Tuesday's GC WG meeting | 14:47:31 |
| patka | Awesome! | 14:47:43 |
| raitobezarius | Then I will leave the mic to @flokli | 14:47:47 |
 flokli | In reply to @patka_123:matrix.orgI said I want to pull out of this discussion until there's a clear position, funding secured, all math being done etc. | 14:48:23 |
 edef | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.orgkeeping a disaster recovery copy is cheap | 16:50:33 |
| edef | it's really not a big deal | 16:50:40 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @edef1c:matrix.orgYes but this is not what we were discussing in that context :p | 16:52:25 |
| raitobezarius | Yes, we can keep additional copies | 16:52:34 |
| raitobezarius | (so that healing is magic and what not) | 16:52:44 |
| edef | in general, throwing around numbers of nines is cute, but none of it means anything until you're specifying what SLOs these are for | 17:01:06 |
| edef | seven nines of durability+availability doesn't mean anything by itself if we're not specifying the details | 17:02:14 |
| edef | available within what timescale? we can get a lot of nines for durability and availability within 14 days latency, we can all keep copies on tape in our basement | 17:03:18 |
| edef | but the question that should be driving the SLO conversation is "what goals do these SLOs accomplish" | 17:05:11 |