| 6 Mar 2024 |
 raitobezarius | Why not let the infra team cook? | 14:10:45 |
| raitobezarius | They know the best, no? | 14:10:52 |
| raitobezarius | Of course, this does not preclude a form of long term check up on the health of the things :) | 14:11:24 |
 Domen Kožar | given the discussion we're having I have doubts | 14:11:25 |
| Domen Kožar | to be honest | 14:11:37 |
| raitobezarius | At 10k/mo, the choice of CF matters little | 14:13:41 |
| raitobezarius | Either we have 10k/mo and we can buy 1PB every 2 months | 14:13:52 |
| raitobezarius | Either we don't and then this is a completely different discussion | 14:14:02 |
| raitobezarius | In the case we have, I don't see why we need to impose cloud providers on infra team | 14:14:18 |
 hexa | That backlog tho | 14:14:47 |
| raitobezarius | And if infra team wants cloud providers, this is the role of Foundation to find the money yes and find ways to make it work | 14:14:46 |
| hexa | When will I ever catch up | 14:14:59 |
| Domen Kožar | we are not imposing cloud providers, but requirements:
- host cache with 99.99999% reliability
- do that for as little money as possible
| 14:15:01 |
| hexa | Reliability requires overprovisioning | 14:15:23 |
| Domen Kožar | yeah :) | 14:15:37 |
| hexa | Its always a trade-off | 14:15:38 |
| raitobezarius | Reliability is not even totally defined | 14:15:56 |
| raitobezarius | It's either availability or durability | 14:16:03 |
 delroth | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
we are not imposing cloud providers, but requirements:
- host cache with 99.99999% reliability
- do that for as little money as possible
???????? | 14:16:10 |
| delroth | whoever will sell you this kind of reliability SLA is lying to you | 14:16:22 |
 Wanja Hentze | do any cloud providers even have 7-nines SLAs for this kind of service? | 14:16:59 |
| hexa | 7 neins! | 14:17:10 |
| Wanja Hentze | I've never seen anything beyond 5 nines | 14:17:10 |
| delroth | Wanja Hentze: yeah and we have two layers (Fastly -> EC2) so the failure rates multiply | 14:17:44 |
| Domen Kožar | another reason to use cloudflare ;) | 14:17:57 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @domenkozar:matrix.org
another reason to use cloudflare ;) CF doesn't give that | 14:18:11 |
| Wanja Hentze | at my employer we run 5-nines on our own hardware but that's about the limit of what you can achieve anyway | 14:18:29 |
| hexa | Traffic doesnt matter within the bandwidth alliance fwiw | 14:18:39 |
| Wanja Hentze | 7-nines is not a thing on the internet IME | 14:18:49 |
| delroth | nobody outside of like aerospace does more than 5-nines | 14:19:04 |
