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@edef1c:matrix.orgedef(but i'd be short that assertion)01:13:51
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusthis is a builder machine so i can reimage anytime01:14:13
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius * this is a builder machine so i can reimage it anytime01:14:15
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefgood, and i hope you are doing that on a regular basis01:14:29
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusobviously not01:14:41
@edef1c:matrix.orgedef😭01:14:46
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariussomeday i will sit down and do proper netboot based stuff for this01:14:57
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefexcellent01:15:08
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusi promise01:15:12
@julius:mtx.liftm.deˈt͡sɛːzaɐ̯But do you also reimage the controller on your RGB CPU fan?04:31:45
@zimbatm:numtide.comJonas Chevalier
In reply to @delroth:delroth.net
semi-related, checking my intuition: I think "reliance on people with high-altruism utility functions" is not a linear knob - I expect that once you start reaching a certain amount of people with lower altruism, you get the people with higher altruism to leave go do something else. WDYT?

One time I was in a position to be paid to do OSS. Something I was doing before, but now I was paid, it was supposed to be the dream. It was paid like half my usual hourly rate, but it was OSS!

What ended up happening is that I felt the additional responsibility from being paid, while also feeling shitty about being paid badly. There were other issues like a too vague SoW. But now the thing I was doing with my heart before, had become a drag. It was really confusing.

My conclusion from this experiment is that if I do work, I want to be paid properly. Work is work. Don't "oh but it's OSS" me. Or I do it for free. I love giving things away, and that it's own heart reward.

This is just me of course because we all respond to incentives differently. But I had this naive conception that OSS+money would necessarily make things better, and it backfired dramatically in that case. I still think that +money can be useful, but maybe structured in different ways, like material support, or to show appreciation.

08:59:23
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefi think this definitely varies09:29:59
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefdirectly moneymaking activities feel like fun because i like making number go up, the FOSS i do significantly out of a sense of duty09:32:26
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefnot that i have no fun, but the moment deadlines and meetings are involved there is an element of "christ, this better pay in the long run"09:34:03
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefthere are other interests and research work i'm taking time away from for the cache work, some of them profitable, and if i didn't think i was bringing something to the table that others wouldn't necessarily take up, i'd probably go focus on those more09:38:41
@edef1c:matrix.orgedef like, in a lot of ways i just really want to be done with it so i can go do other stuff or go make money and have spare resources instead of living on the edge, i definitely burnt out on doing much nixpkgs work a long time ago 09:54:36
@edef1c:matrix.orgedef * like, in a lot of ways i just really want to be done with it so i can go do other stuff or go make money and have spare resources instead of living on the edge, i definitely burnt out on doing much direct nixpkgs work a long time ago 09:55:05
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefnone of this is a particularly strong claim that i'm doing things valuable or essential enough to be paid for or whatever09:59:08
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefi just know that at a very practical level i'm doing something that is mostly to my personal detriment rather than benefit10:00:01
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefsometimes i don't eat for a week because it's not clear next month will work out, and in return i don't have to worry very much whether i'm hitting other people's targets since, well, they're not paying me10:01:29
@edef1c:matrix.orgedef some recent windfalls / non-recurring donations have put me on slightly more stable footing but if anything it gave me enough perspective that the previous state of things was insane and kind of a wild risk to take on 10:03:18
@patka_123:matrix.orgpatka
In reply to @edef1c:matrix.org
none of this is a particularly strong claim that i'm doing things valuable or essential enough to be paid for or whatever

You are definitely doing things very worthy and essential enough to get paid for. It's unfortunately not an option at the moment.

And honestly these messages scare me a little bit, as to me it seems like you might already be further on the burn out path than you might realise. I'm not sure if I should even write this here in a public room...

But please be careful about this. I'm 7 years into a severe burnout and you really don't want it.

10:04:39
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefoh dw my health is already down the gutter and i've burnt out in a lot of ways and on a lot of things :p10:05:34
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefbut well, no way out but through10:07:01
@delroth:delroth.netdelroth Infra work kind of has the unfortunate property that you can't really dissociate it from responsibilities :( 10:07:34
@delroth:delroth.netdelroth I mean, you can have someone work on infra without taking on responsibilities, but usually that just means someone else is doing it 10:08:04
@zimbatm:numtide.comJonas ChevalierI want to at least cover your cost of living10:08:07
@edef1c:matrix.orgedef anyway, wasn't meaning to hog the airspace this much, that was quite the wall of text from me; mostly wanted to point out that "no, not everyone has the particular feelings about money that you [Jonas Chevalier] have" 10:08:21
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefit's just one of the raw materials i need to get stuff to do work, like food and hardware maintenance10:09:16
@edef1c:matrix.orgedefi understand it's different if you have a day job that perhaps even uses Nix but leaves the fun stuff as a hobby10:10:40

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