| 8 Jan 2025 |
 antifuchs | I'm building a system config that should result in a restart of those units & we'll see if that works (: | 18:09:51 |
| antifuchs | would restart the following units: nix-daemon.service, polkit.service, systemd-networkd.service, systemd-resolved.service, systemd-udevd.service, yayyy | 18:46:00 |
| 9 Jan 2025 |
 @msanft:matrix.org | In reply to@sandro:supersandro.de
posted a link in the thread to where I think it is coming from Thanks for digging that up! So disabling that compat layer would save us that really big Perl dependency here. | 08:24:56 |
| @msanft:matrix.org | Virtually any graphical desktop environment has a browser anyway, so I think we should remove it or at least add a toggle for it. | 08:25:31 |
 @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Philip Taron (UTC-8): Hey, I know for several of the last systemd updates you've done a big test suite for us to check for problems before merging. I'm reviewing https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/372292 and figured I'd do the same this time, and it's a little annoying having to go through and identify all the relevant tests :P Do you think there's something we could do to simplify this down to a single attr or something? | 08:40:09 |
 @philiptaron:matrix.org | Oh yeah, it's super annoying. 😁 And I'm not even sure I got them all, especially if they didn't have a systemd prefix. I did a little script to make it a little less annoying but it's still not great.
I reckon we could add all of them to passthru.tests.
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| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Yea that seems like a good idea | 18:08:44 |
| antifuchs | update on the networkd/resolved/udevd restart thing: my latest deploy took like 10 seconds from "stopping units" to "started additional units", went without a single hitch (and networkd/etc were restarted!) | 20:11:53 |
| 10 Jan 2025 |
| @elvishjerricco:matrix.org | Leading reason people seem to want to use grub over systemd-boot is os-prober. I wonder how hard it would be to get systemd-boot to show entries for UEFI boot entries. Then it could boot anything that sets up one of those, including windows on another drive | 02:52:51 |
 emily | os-prober and fancy backgrounds | 03:30:16 |
 @adam:robins.wtf | Our mirrored boots setup is pretty nice :) | 03:34:05 |
| @adam:robins.wtf | Or my more niche case where I want to have a bootloader output on serial console on systems where UEFI doesn't initialize the serial. | 03:35:20 |
|  SigmaSquadron changed their display name from SigmaSquadron (Away until 2024-01-12) to SigmaSquadron (Away until 2024-01-11). | 22:16:00 |
| SigmaSquadron changed their display name from SigmaSquadron (Away until 2024-01-11) to SigmaSquadron (Away until 2025-01-11). | 22:43:40 |
| 11 Jan 2025 |
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 iridium | This just happened again, when upgrading
• Updated input 'nixpkgs':
'github:NixOS/nixpkgs/7ca628eee2eab151f869a04bee8e5df84abf8d1b?narHash=sha256-M4%2Bplf7HjYOAvmZ3rpMHz5rZF%2BExNyTnm/7F1iBK2Jg%3D' (2025-01-05)
→ 'github:NixOS/nixpkgs/202c851cddd45732751acf5a9c5bbd7ed6de4b26?narHash=sha256-MOQcWp6dXLLaiUs8WfGpxtCxsWbm36GKdLmQwFYjfZs%3D' (2025-01-10)
Unfortunately, this was on my router (which then lost networking and all other connectivity) 😕. I didn't trigger it again on a desktop machine, where I would have wanted to attach a debugger to the (still running) systemd instance to see why it's hanging
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| SigmaSquadron changed their display name from SigmaSquadron (Away until 2025-01-11) to SigmaSquadron. | 15:06:57 |
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| 12 Jan 2025 |
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| 14 Jan 2025 |
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 Arian | I've been trying to parse this issue several times now and I can't figure out what it's trying to say https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/360428 | 19:48:47 |
| Arian | it's a very long rant but I don't understand what concretely needs to be fixed | 19:49:19 |
| Arian | Read like "TL;DR: ya'll are idiots who don't know what you're doing get your shit together". which is fine. but what shit do I need together | 19:50:02 |
| 15 Jan 2025 |
| antifuchs | Congrats to the op on breaking through the cycle of “i can’t file a documentation but because I can’t understand the problem with the documentation enough to describe it because the docs aren’t good enough”, but yeh | 02:14:16 |
| antifuchs | * Congrats to the op on breaking through the cycle of “i can’t file a documentation bug report because I can’t understand the problem with the documentation enough to describe it because the docs aren’t good enough”, but yeh | 02:14:30 |
| antifuchs | My Read is that they’re frustrated that the .target units don’t let you accurately describe the state of the system in the wider environment? | 02:16:00 |
|  SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) changed their display name from SomeoneSerge (utc+3) to SomeoneSerge. | 19:01:48 |
| 16 Jan 2025 |
 eliasp | looks like one of my secret debugging/troubleshooting tricks stopped working recently...
when I was in the need of quickly adapting a service, I often used systemctl edit --runtime … to create an override in /run/systemd/system - this path seems to be ignored now | 00:28:47 |
| Arian | Oof | 00:29:18 |
| eliasp | I suspect due to some downstream changes within nixpkgs? | 00:30:07 |
