| 7 Mar 2025 |
 Arian | That's my take | 07:47:31 |
 Alyssa Ross | libeconf has the same weird ordering and is being pushed pretty hard for projects to implement the UAPI Group's Configuration Files Specification, so if we continue avoiding /usr for config files it won't just be systemd we need to patch. | 08:04:37 |
 K900 | Does it mean /usr as in /usr | 08:05:42 |
| K900 | Or /usr as in $prefix | 08:05:48 |
| Arian | Well systemd's build system already doesn't respect $prefix . We patch that in | 08:06:11 |
| Arian | For e.g. udev and tmpfiles | 08:06:20 |
| Arian | They hardcode /usr in the c code | 08:06:38 |
| Arian | :( | 08:06:39 |
| Arian | In a lot of places | 08:06:42 |
| Arian | * Well systemd's build already doesn't respect $prefix . We patch that in | 08:06:59 |
| Arian | But what I mean is. When we run tools that support pointing to config through a cli argument we should use that | 08:08:11 |
| Arian | Instead of /etc | 08:08:16 |
| Arian | Run tmpfiles with --definitions ${blah} | 08:08:35 |
| Arian | Run systemd with --units-dir ${blah} | 08:08:50 |
| Arian | Ignore all this silly FHS stuff | 08:09:01 |
| Arian | Pointless waste of time for us | 08:09:21 |
| Arian | Things should be in the nix store except for some really rare exceptions | 08:09:47 |
| Arian | And that approach doesn't require patches | 08:10:55 |
| Arian | We should simply have no /etc except for some very exceptional legacy cases | 08:11:32 |
| Arian | And avoid it at all cost. | 08:11:40 |
| Arian | It's the same philosophy as hermetic usr but one step further | 08:11:55 |
| Arian | It relies on software being configurable at runtime where to read their config from but this is almost always the case | 08:13:19 |
 Ramses 🇵🇸 | But if you do that, can you easily change the unit dir when switching generations? Looking at the systemctl manpage, I don't immediately see a way to change the value of this flag | 10:03:22 |
| Arian | It's an environment variable. It gets picked up on systemctl daemon-reexec | 10:30:21 |
| Ramses 🇵🇸 | Ah ok, that sounds like a great idea then | 10:53:36 |
 @adam:robins.wtf | Would we keep /etc in the search path still, allowing users to put their own non-nixos units there? | 12:24:41 |
| Arian | Yes | 12:31:40 |
| @adam:robins.wtf | My current plan is to try appending the unit path on the kernel command line to give myself a path I can control, but I still need to test it. /etc would be cleaner and more standard though | 12:37:31 |
 @srestegosaurio:tchncs.de | systemd-tempfiles seams to be struggling to delete some files. Returns a permission error.
| 14:41:01 |
| @srestegosaurio:tchncs.de | I find it somewhat funny that I've only encountered it by looking at the background.slice status.
| 14:41:36 |
