| 8 Apr 2026 |
 Ralith | often folks default to toml because it's not too weird and Rust has good tools for it | 03:34:53 |
 aphasic | corn is very nixlike | 04:18:25 |
| aphasic | https://cornlang.dev/ | 04:18:46 |
| aphasic | i like it | 04:18:50 |
| aphasic | no actual nix generator though 😅 | 04:19:23 |
| aphasic | ime kdl is kind of a mess and maps horrendously from nix | 04:19:30 |
| aphasic | not that there isn't code to do kdl->nix, there is, but you have to more or less manually serialise with it because their syntax and features are so disparate | 04:20:24 |
| aphasic | * not that there isn't code to do nix->kdl, there is, but you have to more or less manually serialise with it because their syntax and features are so disparate | 04:20:40 |
 Marien Zwart | If your audience is not nix users, a boring format like TOML is usually better (and if your audience is nix users maybe don't use kdl, I don't know exactly why but there's a home-manager module (for niri) stuck on essentially "the kdl generator is not good enough")) | 04:21:45 |
| Marien Zwart | * If your audience is not nix users, a boring format like TOML is usually better (and if your audience is nix users maybe don't use kdl, I don't know exactly why but there's a home-manager module (for niri) stuck on essentially "the kdl generator is not good enough") | 04:22:09 |
 Charles | In reply to @ralith:ralith.com
is that alive again? last I heard the maintainer crashed out after setting up a harassment campaign against AI users I am not sure I agree with that description of events. But either way KDL has more than one person with the commit bit | 04:49:32 |
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 Pol | Adding it to nixpkgs. | 18:33:40 |
| Pol | * Adding it to nixpkgs. Edit: done at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/509058, review welcome | 18:58:32 |
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| 15 Apr 2026 |
 EsperLily [she/her] | i just noticed that my recent nixpkgs update (from 2026-01-23 to 2026-04-01) caused my system closure to start including cargo-bootstrap (which itself includes rustc-bootstrap). This seems rather surprising, that's an extra 623MiB added to the closure. Is this an issue folks are aware of? | 00:04:24 |
 Winter | bleh. not to my knowledge. what depends on that, EsperLily [she/her]? | 00:08:11 |
| EsperLily [she/her] | cargo does | 00:08:22 |
| EsperLily [she/her] | 
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| Winter | not great | 00:09:03 |
| EsperLily [she/her] | i don't have time right now to dig into this, but it seems like maybe cargo and rustc should use the appropriate disallowedWhatever attribute to ensure the bootstrap doesn't accidentally get into the closure | 00:09:50 |
| EsperLily [she/her] | (rustc itself doesn't seem to have its own bootstrap at least, but the cargo-bootstrap includes the rustc-bootstrap) | 00:10:11 |
| EsperLily [she/her] | this whole thing is in my runtime closure only because i have rustfmt in there (because of prettybat, which i never remember to even use) | 00:11:36 |
| Winter | i can take a peek later today | 00:12:46 |
| EsperLily [she/her] | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/510169 | 05:04:09 |
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