| 1 Aug 2025 |
 dramforever | rva20/rv64gc is painful | 12:16:59 |
| dramforever | rva22 is about right for now i think | 12:17:13 |
| dramforever | rva23 we'll see in 2030 | 12:17:21 |
 emily | RV64GC, adds the hardware garbage collection collection | 12:17:24 |
| emily | isn't Ubuntu dropping support for anything but RVA23 | 12:17:32 |
| dramforever | by that i mean if the sw ecosystem evolved reasonably | 12:17:48 |
| dramforever | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
isn't Ubuntu dropping support for anything but RVA23 i've been trying to start a meme about which of rva23 hw and silksong will be available first | 12:18:33 |
| emily | or is the government just throwing boards at people to subsidize upstreaming or something but you can't actually buy a laptop | 12:18:35 |
| emily | personally I think it will be cool if there is an Ubuntu ISO that you cannot run on any hardware publicly-available on the market | 12:19:06 |
| dramforever | no you can just buy it on aliexpress | 12:19:10 |
| dramforever | it's less easy to buy because less demand and maaaybe sanctions? i don't know if any sanctions stop loongson from selling abroad | 12:20:24 |
| dramforever | but it certainly isn't helping their business in general | 12:20:35 |
| emily | I assume it also just does not perform well for the price | 12:21:19 |
| emily | if you have access to normal CPUs | 12:21:24 |
| dramforever | it is fine https://chipsandcheese.com/p/loongson-3a6000-a-star-among-chinese-cpus | 12:21:51 |
| dramforever | like, very usable | 12:22:06 |
| emily | huh | 12:22:27 |
| emily | this is a lot better than I expected | 12:22:30 |
| dramforever | i don't know what price you'll get though | 12:22:39 |
| emily | isn't this like better than basically any RISC-V thing | 12:22:41 |
 K900 | Fine as in Haswell | 12:22:41 |
| emily | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009021139201.html well this is cheap and cute | 12:22:51 |
| K900 | That's not terrible but I wouldn't call it "fine" | 12:22:53 |
| K900 | It is | 12:22:56 |
| dramforever | it's way better than anything you can get for riscv 😂 | 12:23:18 |
| emily | well you can buy a lot of useful AArch64 boards that would look bad on these graphs I think | 12:23:30 |
| dramforever | you wouldn't buy this to replace your daily driver | 12:24:37 |
| emily | well you could | 12:25:08 |
| emily | unlike with RISC-V | 12:25:10 |
| dramforever | but ... well they're not exactly looking to sell much to this market anyway, you already know tha | 12:25:23 |
