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2 Jun 2021
@hexa:lossy.networkhexacan't exactly search for spaces23:35:36
@hexa:lossy.networkhexaonly rooms23:35:37
@sumner:sumnerevans.comsumnerdiscovery of spaces is total crap currently23:35:48
@kevincox:matrix.orgkevincoxWell this would be solved because the room directory would be a well-known space per server. And you can nest other spaces inside of it.23:36:08
@sumner:sumnerevans.comsumner
In reply to @kevincox:matrix.org
IDK. There was some talk about if the homeserver directory APIs could be re-targeted at a space. Basically keep them there for compatibility but under the hood they are just reading from and writing to a space. Of course there is still work to do like making sure that peeking and everything works as it does today.
There will always be a number of rooms which are not part of a space.
23:36:11
@kevincox:matrix.orgkevincoxJust like there are always a number of rooms that aren't in the server directory right now 🤷23:36:33
@sumner:sumnerevans.comsumner
In reply to @kevincox:matrix.org
Well this would be solved because the room directory would be a well-known space per server. And you can nest other spaces inside of it.
this sounds like a bad idea. How would permissions work? Who would be allowed to control it?
23:36:42
@kevincox:matrix.orgkevincoxAt the core both features are just a list of rooms. Spaces are growing new features quickly though.23:37:04
@kevincox:matrix.orgkevincox
In reply to @sumner:sumnerevans.com
this sounds like a bad idea. How would permissions work? Who would be allowed to control it?
Can't you ask the same questions about the server directory today?
23:39:42
@Las:matrix.orgLasYes but spaces are federated, server directories aren't AFAICT.23:40:40
@Las:matrix.orgLasHuge difference23:40:45
@kevincox:matrix.orgkevincoxThat is another significant benefit of spaces over the room directory. If nixos.org dropped offline we could still see the room directory if we wanted. Of course federation isn't as useful for the "room directory space" but it doesn't hurt.23:41:59
@Las:matrix.orgLasTrue23:43:06
@kevincox:matrix.orgkevincox IDK. I'm not saying it is going to happen soon but I think logically the room directory and spaces do the same thing. There are some missing features for sure (like looking up a room by a short key like matrix-discussion:nixos.org) but I don't feel much fundamental differences. I kinda see the room directory as an unreplicated space with a funny API and hard-coded permissions 😛 I think it would be a nice refactoring to someday replace it with a proper space with default (but modifiable) permissions and standard APIs (with the old ones for compat). 23:46:34
@Las:matrix.orgLasAfter thinking about it for a bit I completely agree. A lot of the server directory specific APIs could be removed.23:52:58
3 Jun 2021
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@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyheh, are we going to end up brainstorming MSCs in here? :p04:54:53
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilywould anyone be interested in a ZFS room?07:34:24
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily (I promise it's not just because I have questions that aren't getting answers~!) 07:36:46
@leons:is.currently.onlineLeon I couldn't imagine grahamc (he/him) wouldn't want one? 🙂 I'd join if we had one 07:36:49
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4 Jun 2021
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@esac:matrix.orgp10r
In reply to @rgrunbla:matrix.org
I was wondering if a "Nix Radio" room would be a good idea. The main subject would be SDR and SDR related software inclusion in NixOS / nixpkgs, e.g. gnuradio, various gnuradio modules, drivers, and so on.
There is a networking room and it appears to be exclusive for routers. I don't know enough about either routers or radios, but if there is enough overlap, perhaps they can accommodate?
14:34:25
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa RossI'm not sure the channel is supposed to be for routers only 14:35:35
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa Rossthe topic was copied from IRC, where it was #nixos-on-your-router, but IIRC it was renamed to reflect that it had come to be about networking more broadly 14:36:01

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