| 24 May 2025 |
 emily | but we did just spend a long time trying to establish the ability to make tough decisions as a project in a way that has legitimacy… we ought not to assume we are incapable of that when we are in a tough situation | 10:51:33 |
 Cat | and you will be in even deeper shit over there because nobody is ready. | 10:51:50 |
| Cat | But i dont know if this is true or false. | 10:52:00 |
| emily | yes, I think it's totally true that someone could attack a Zulip/Mattermost/whatever | 10:52:07 |
| emily | my impression is that on a purely pragmatic level, nobody is currently interested in doing so | 10:52:15 |
| emily | the current attackers are pretty clearly deranged about Matrix specifically | 10:52:29 |
| emily | I imagine they'd see a project moving off Matrix as a victory if anything. I don't like that of course. | 10:52:50 |
| Cat | I can tell you while this attack might not follow | 10:53:00 |
| Cat | i have seen attacks that did follow | 10:53:05 |
| Cat | when people moved from matrix to discord | 10:53:12 |
| Cat | the attack just followed | 10:53:15 |
| emily | NixOS has made a lot of people miserable over the years but so far none of them have reacted with this level of abuse | 10:53:21 |
| emily | in the long run… ideally we have a platform with great moderation and tooling and can react super easily to attacks and everything is perfect… in practice we have a Discourse and a GitHub and this kind of thing never happens | 10:53:54 |
| emily | and the pain of this abuse on Matrix is here right now | 10:54:08 |
