| 13 May 2025 |
 adamcstephens | And is that a collective stance, or just your personal? | 12:53:43 |
 emily | at some point if the Matrix becomes sufficiently inaccessible to users we will cede user support to Discord by default | 12:54:26 |
| emily | whether we like it or not | 12:54:29 |
 K900 | IRC: moderation tools are basically non-existent, user experience is extremely variable depending on client | 12:54:33 |
| K900 | Proprietary solutions: does this just mean Discord? | 12:55:20 |
 truh | Or slack I guess | 12:55:45 |
 @saiko:knifepoint.net | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
IRC: moderation tools are basically non-existent, user experience is extremely variable depending on client oh, they are? always appeared to me that they were significantly better than Matrix | 12:56:19 |
| @saiko:knifepoint.net | especially then I agree Matrix is the best option | 12:56:35 |
| K900 | Definitely not at spec level | 12:56:58 |
| K900 | It is easier to build custom tools because IRC as a protocol is much simpler | 12:57:08 |
| K900 | But that also opens you up to the thousand clients problem | 12:57:22 |
| K900 | And IRC's baseline protocol being "one line of text" | 12:57:38 |
| emily | targeted spam attacks haven't really been an issue for the NixOS community over its life, though, right? I'm not saying the ideal solution wouldn't address them but i am not sure it is an immediate risk. | 12:57:52 |
| emily | like I think that in practice Zulip or Mattermost or Rocket.Chat or whatever would involve significantly less spam-fighting work even if the theoretical resistance against a precisely targeted attack would be lower. | 12:59:58 |
| K900 | We've had a few | 13:00:23 |
| K900 | Nothing of this scale | 13:00:35 |
 @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | @adam:robins.wtf for me a proprietary platform would be unacceptable and a serious hit to NixOS as a project in my opinion. Yes id prefer not having anything like Matrix over moving to Discord | 13:33:44 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | I think we're all open to other free software solutions, but IRC is seriously lacking as k900 has said already and I dont know about zulip but i trust it has been considered carefully | 13:34:54 |
| emily | I don't think there was super careful consideration of alternatives back when we moved from IRC to Matrix | 13:35:50 |
| emily | (and the landscape is very different to back then) | 13:35:58 |
| emily | Freenode melting down kind of forced the issue. | 13:36:03 |
| emily | inertia does the rest; there's no committee regularly evaluating whether moving to something else might make sense | 13:36:23 |
| adamcstephens | i think IRCs major fault, as k900 pointed out, is the one line of text protocol. otherwise, i'd suspect we could make it work as well as matrix does(n't) | 13:38:53 |
| K900 | IRC not having the ability to easily attach images or other files is also definitely a problem | 13:40:02 |
| K900 | And yes yes IRCv3 fixes it | 13:40:08 |
| emily | yeah I mean I would be fine going back to IRCCloud but I don't expect us to actually choose that. | 13:41:35 |
| emily | (how's Matrix's ability to attach images right now? :p) | 13:41:52 |
|  Gnuxie 💜🐝 joined the room. | 14:22:09 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | sup everypony | 14:23:12 |
 TobiNary | matrix is way more broken then i thought. it looks like dentrite does not respect the delegation :) | 15:13:39 |
