| 13 May 2025 |
|  evacuated joined the room. | 07:54:21 |
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| adamcstephens | Sorry if this was discussed above, this room doesn't show me history. How can we make #users usable again? If I can't leave and come back without an invite, and clearly others can't get in either, it doesn't seem to be fit for purpose. | 12:03:21 |
 K900 | We need better moderation tools | 12:26:05 |
| K900 | Basically | 12:26:07 |
| K900 | That's the only way | 12:26:11 |
| adamcstephens | I don't understand. How can we accept our main user-facing support channel to be invite only? | 12:31:35 |
| K900 | Because the other option is looking at pictures of detached limbs every few hours | 12:32:04 |
| K900 | Or do you prefer naked toddlers | 12:32:36 |
| adamcstephens | I don't want to see any of that, obviously. But it makes me question the value of this platform even more. | 12:33:22 |
| K900 | Unfortunately we don't exactly have better options | 12:33:44 |
| K900 | And no, IRC does not count | 12:34:02 |
| adamcstephens | at this point, IRC is about the same user friendliness. | 12:34:38 |
 Cat | And should note that we are curious about what tools are desired over in Draupnir but I’m well aware that better primitives are needed | 12:34:49 |
 @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | The only reason why IRC is "better" is because it doesnt support media and is less popular | 12:35:03 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | (If youre running your own HS, i can share a patch to disable remote media federation mostly) | 12:35:32 |
| K900 | Intentional mentions are a big attack vector right now | 12:35:38 |
| Cat | This stuff also wasn’t even a problem at this current scale for a while but now it has picked up. | 12:35:42 |
| K900 | Overall better policy would be great | 12:35:56 |
| K900 | e.g. trusted users being allowed to post images | 12:36:07 |
| K900 | Some protections for low entropy messages/repeated messages | 12:36:24 |
| K900 | Maybe some implementation of knocking-via-bot | 12:37:47 |
| K900 | Though that could be out of scope for Draupnir | 12:37:53 |
| Cat | Knocking via? | 12:38:20 |
| Cat | I am confused about what exactly you’re thinking about. | 12:38:55 |
| K900 | Basically being able to DM Draupnir to "knock" | 12:39:47 |
| K900 | Because client support for knocking is basically non-existent | 12:40:15 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | Ah and draupnir then sends the invite. The problem is still the lack of discoverability | 12:41:13 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | Would it be possible to somehow detect failed joins and automatically invite the user to a DM | 12:41:29 |
| K900 | We can think of discoverability when we've addressed safety | 12:41:40 |
