| 11 Aug 2025 |
 emily | IIRC, it was that or Libera and the judgement call to go all-in on the Matrix switch was made | 18:17:42 |
| emily | I thought it a good idea at the time; in retrospect, I'd rather have had Libera | 18:17:58 |
 Cat | made everyone wake up to that if your community doesnt control its infra and said infra is irreplaceable the damage can be fucking extreme. | 18:18:11 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | ok | 18:18:34 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | sorry, i didn't realise that "us" was specific to nixos | 18:18:50 |
| emily | right :) | 18:19:04 |
| Cat | it also taught everyone that users can usurp admins that try to play stupid games. I mean that IRC network is a ghost town as far as i understand after his actions. | 18:19:19 |
| emily | I mean that if the new Synapse version explodes everything or the new state version explodes everything or someone breaks our rooms before we do the upgrade or something it's conceivable we might end up running to Zulip or something in the same manner | 18:19:30 |
| emily | (I don't think this will actually happen, but you never know) | 18:19:37 |
| emily | there was meaningful attrition in the move to Libera though | 18:20:05 |
| emily | maybe mostly just idle accounts, but enough projects etc. left IRC entirely that I expect it's not just that | 18:20:22 |
| Cat | Yes there was a very large price paid. I meant more in the sense that it proved to everyone that its not just imaginary. You can get your platform killed effectively from pissing of the userbase badly enough. | 18:21:29 |
