| 30 Jun 2025 |
 hustlerone | so you can create rooms outside of spaces? | 15:03:11 |
 Cat | In reply to @hustlerone:matrix.org
but it's a shame i can't restrict spaces You can | 15:03:25 |
| Cat | It’s trivial even | 15:03:29 |
| Cat | You just need to have a smarter firewall like matrix corporal in play | 15:04:00 |
| Cat | Or block it wholesale via reverse proxy | 15:04:12 |
| Cat | As spaces are trivial to tell apart from regular rooms when being created | 15:04:46 |
| Cat | In reply to @hustlerone:matrix.org
so you can create rooms outside of spaces? Yes | 15:05:00 |
| Cat | All dms are rooms | 15:05:07 |
| Cat | Because all persistent communication channels on matrix are rooms | 15:05:26 |
| hustlerone | the architecture is confusing when you don't want to be federated | 15:06:42 |
| hustlerone | what would I miss from Matrix if I use XMPP instead | 15:07:27 |
| hustlerone | from a non-federation standpoint | 15:07:45 |
| Cat | In reply to @hustlerone:matrix.org
the architecture is confusing when you don't want to be federated It’s not that confusing from my perspective | 15:08:21 |
| hustlerone | it's confusing to manage | 15:08:36 |
 K900 | Honestly | 15:10:34 |
| K900 | If you want non-federated | 15:10:39 |
| K900 | Just run Mattermost or something | 15:10:42 |
| K900 | Unironically it's a MUCH BETTER SOLVED PROBLEM | 15:10:49 |
| K900 | Because there's obvious corporate customers you can sell to | 15:11:05 |
| K900 | There's Mattermost, RocketChat, whatever that Discord compatible one was | 15:11:28 |
 Charlotte 🦝 (it/its) | there is no reason to use matrix non-federated, or if you have strict requirements on where data needs to be stored | 15:12:32 |
| K900 | Matrix is really bad at a lot of things that are trivial on non-federated-by-design platforms | 15:12:55 |
| K900 | Specifically because it's federated | 15:12:59 |
| K900 | If you're going to run non-federated Matrix, you get all the pain of designing around federation with none of the advantages | 15:13:19 |
| hustlerone | yeah that's what I have realised from day 0 | 15:13:38 |
| Charlotte 🦝 (it/its) | In reply to @lotte:chir.rs
there is no reason to use matrix non-federated, or if you have strict requirements on where data needs to be stored although i have for a long while pretty much only used matrix for the chat bridges | 15:14:09 |
| hustlerone | thanks for telling me about mattermost i'll check it out | 15:14:10 |
| K900 | Honestly you might even want to consider Zulip | 15:14:45 |
| K900 | Depending on the use cae | 15:14:47 |
| K900 | * Depending on the use case | 15:14:48 |
