| 27 Apr 2025 |
 Winter | i mean let’s be real most matrix clients are broken in some way anyways ;) | 20:21:38 |
| Winter | (and servers for that matter) | 20:22:22 |
 Cat | Your shit out of luck essentially. | 20:40:37 |
| Cat | as in the Rust based matrix homeservers are more similar to being a regular user on matrix.org than being a HS admin in what your options are for automatic saftey tooling. | 20:41:56 |
| Cat | Since unless your name is emma your likely not interacting with their admin rooms automatically. | 20:42:35 |
 @emma:rory.gay | even i dont do that | 20:53:52 |
| @emma:rory.gay | and i refuse to touch that in libmatrix for as long as there's no REST API that isnt a wrapper around text commands | 20:55:04 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | eh. there's a lot of ways in which the situation could improve, but if the urgency isn't there... | 21:06:11 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | idk, I'm kind of skeptical of "not much you can do" in general in contexts where those who are supposed to do things, show a general disinterest in trying | 21:07:08 |
| Winter | precisely | 21:07:14 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | because in my experience, "impossible" problems suddenly become solvable most of the time once someone actually starts giving a shit | 21:07:25 |
| @emma:rory.gay | well i mean, i dont see a good solution is all | 21:07:28 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | but often those solutions do not become apparent until someone is willing to put in work to find the non-obvious ones | 21:07:47 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | so if no solutions materialize and the responsible parties show disinterest, my bet is generally on the disinterest being the problem | 21:08:16 |
| @emma:rory.gay | most likely unintended but you made it sound like im not "willing" | 21:08:18 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I don't mean you, no | 21:08:26 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I mean the core folks who should've started working on this years ago once early reports started materializing | 21:08:42 |
| @emma:rory.gay | to be fair i wrote a userbot just to deal with this specifically | 21:08:56 |
| @emma:rory.gay | (that doesnt depend on homeserver admins at all, nor spec changes) | 21:09:08 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | like, all these various attacks are starting to become a Big Problem now but they are by no means new | 21:09:39 |
| @emma:rory.gay | ofcourse not, but as long as an issue only ahppens once in a while you tend not to care, at least speaking from my own experience | 21:10:17 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | sure, and that's entirely the wrong approach if you're responsible for a network like this | 21:10:40 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (which you aren't, but core folks are) | 21:10:45 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | you deal with problems when they are still manageable and not only once they become a crisis | 21:11:00 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i only dealt with it when stuff was in full crisis fwiw | 21:11:22 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | Emma [it/its]: to be explicit about this, none of my complaints are aimed at you whatsoever | 21:12:03 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i see "you", brain treats it as about me by default, sorry | 21:12:35 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | yeah understandable, hence wanting to make it explicit; but in this case I mean the general 'you', not the personal one | 21:12:53 |
| @emma:rory.gay | i guess you could do the apoth thing of "you(g)" | 21:13:10 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (I dislike how they are the same in English) | 21:13:11 |
