| 19 Aug 2025 |
 emily | I guess policy servers are basically this with extra steps or something | 15:54:56 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | i think this comment is taken straight from a discussion we had a few days ago in matrix-spec and otherwise meow | 15:55:24 |
 Charles | i don't think policy servers are allowed to influence room state (i.e. membership) so not quite | 15:55:52 |
| Charles | i am not in the matrix spec room because it has been on room version FOUR forever | 15:56:34 |
| emily | someone keeps reverting it | 16:00:57 |
 @aloisw:julia0815.de | Probably would be a step in the right direction, but availability when the moderation bot is down is also bad. | 16:28:38 |
| emily | the homeserver can arrange to not have availability when the moderation bot is down | 16:29:05 |
| emily | so that seems fine | 16:29:15 |
| @aloisw:julia0815.de | True but at that point why have a bot at all instead of just baking a moderation interface in. | 16:33:52 |
| emily | well, you could do precisely that with a homeserver that owns a room, right? | 16:35:42 |
| emily | it would be authoritative for the room's state, so it can do whatever it wants | 16:35:53 |
| @aloisw:julia0815.de | Yes, that's a necessary but not sufficient condition. | 16:38:18 |
| emily | hm, what's insufficient about "the homeserver decides what the room state is and all changes are gated on it" to implement whatever moderation functionality you want? | 16:40:53 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | well a policy server is a way of doing that | 16:41:16 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | as for why | 16:41:17 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | it's because these are not things you can half ass after the fact | 16:41:25 |
