| 11 Aug 2025 |
 uep | The common thread / element (indecisive pun selection failure) with moving platforms, whether irc or matrix or zulip, and possibly even between rooms as v12 causes fallout, is that there are two forces and a lot of inertia in between:
- some kind of pull, reasons to set up a new platform, change required
- some kind of push, forcing users to make some kind of change
The former is rarely strong enough to draw in enough of the userbase, enough will stay behind that it just amounts to a community split and something about the new platform needs to be really compelling. The latter is always disruptive and damaging and will just push some users away.
| 23:57:47 |
| uep | * The common thread / element (indecisive pun selection failure) with moving platforms, whether irc or matrix or zulip, and possibly even between rooms as v12 causes fallout, is that there are two forces and a lot of inertia in between:
- some kind of pull, reasons to set up a new platform, change required
- some kind of push, forcing users to make some kind of change
The former is rarely strong enough to draw in enough of the userbase, enough will stay behind that it just amounts to a community split and something about the new platform needs to be really compelling. The latter is always disruptive and damaging and if it's forceful enough to have any impact will just push some users away.
| 23:58:49 |
| 12 Aug 2025 |
| uep | I'm still happy to explore zulip, without a huge amount of available effort in the next forseeable few weeks, but my expectations of it being dramatically better to have enough pull are minimal | 00:00:36 |
| uep | * I'm still happy to explore zulip, without a huge amount of available effort in the next forseeable few weeks, but my expectations of it being dramatically better to have enough pull, as above, are minimal | 00:00:43 |
 emily | (I did presume that in the event of any switch the Matrix rooms would just be closed down; maintaining two platforms of course makes no sense) | 00:26:54 |
| uep | matrix being matrix, that may not actually be possible. there are enough old rooms that have been upgraded and tombstoned, but where people are still stuck and active | 00:35:54 |
| uep | (but yes, that would be part of the plan if we were to make such a switch, even with the limitations) | 00:36:55 |
| emily | yeah, the ghost rooms are at least orders of magnitude less active though | 02:52:49 |
