| 18 Apr 2024 |
 @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
The intended behavior is to not have servers roll back persistent state I don't quite get this, are there resources I can look into about this?
I have a work team setup on Matrix and it's my first time seeing this behavior live, so I'd appreciate it if you could give me some resources for me to read further into it | 13:45:45 |
 K900 | The reason all the rooms are breaking is that the nixos.org server had an account and all associated data manually deleted from the database | 13:46:22 |
| K900 | Which is not something you should normally do, ever | 13:46:30 |
| K900 | And not really something the protocol is equipped to handle | 13:47:07 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
The reason all the rooms are breaking is that the nixos.org server had an account and all associated data manually deleted from the database How even... yeah this is not something that would normally happen. Thank you for the clarification | 13:48:59 |
| K900 | That server was hosted by EMS, which is Element's SaaS offering, and some people had accounts on it, including moderators that set up the rooms | 13:49:55 |
| K900 | And when the server was migrated to NixOS owned infra, they had to delete those for privacy reasons | 13:50:23 |
| K900 | The expectation was that preserving some state was better than starting from scratch | 13:52:02 |
| K900 | And that turned out to not really be the case | 13:52:13 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | Was there any announcement about this? | 13:52:28 |
| K900 | Not really? | 13:52:43 |
| K900 | Why would there be one? | 13:52:45 |
| K900 | The rooms mostly got fixed | 13:52:54 |
| K900 | And the people that had accounts on the nixos.org server were obviously made aware | 13:53:03 |
| K900 | Most people shouldn't have noticed anything | 13:53:16 |
 dgrig | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
And when the server was migrated to NixOS owned infra, they had to delete those for privacy reasons from what I see this migration hasn't happened yet, EMS still hosts the matrix server for nixos.org | 13:55:00 |
| K900 | Yes, the actual switchover is not done yet | 13:55:22 |
| K900 | But they did delete the accounts | 13:55:26 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
The rooms mostly got fixed The mostly is why I would have liked an announcement or info, the Nix Audio channel as you probably know got restarted | 14:10:36 |
| K900 | I don't know why the room was recreated | 14:10:54 |
| K900 | It shouldn't have been | 14:10:57 |
| K900 | And if it was, the old room should have been tombstoned | 14:11:12 |
| K900 | Which would link it to the new room automatically in most clients | 14:11:24 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
I don't know why the room was recreated This is why I was asking about an announcement and the reason in the first place btw, hopefully this clears the context of my questions if it was ambigious | 14:12:01 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
Which would link it to the new room automatically in most clients It does tell me in my client that the new room is available, I fear that after a while in the new room, the link to check the old one will be buried and that history of chat will be lost :\ | 14:12:42 |
| K900 | History search on Matrix is... generally not great | 14:13:18 |
| K900 | And everything should be logged on logs.nixos.dev | 14:13:50 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
And everything should be logged on logs.nixos.dev today I learned that this exists | 14:14:54 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
History search on Matrix is... generally not great murmurs of mailing list lovers in the background
jokes aside, I did notice search speed here is not great, but I mostly found things when they were there, slowly
| 14:15:42 |
| @adham-omran:matrix.org | In reply to @adham-omran:matrix.org
today I learned that this exists https://logs.nixos.dev/room/!XrtRvzcHOrHtSKARne:nixos.org/
Returns 502 :\ | 14:16:11 |
