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| @piegames:matrix.org | (Moderation notice: I've frozen the channel as this was the quickest way to stop things from escalating, will fix this later) | 19:31:58 |
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| @piegames:matrix.org | Should be restored now | 19:46:57 |
 ggpeti | Let it be made clear that there was absolutely no escalation beside mods wanting to flex their mod rights. People were discussing Matrix as a natural reaction to the main Nix channel going defunct, and with prospect to gather pros and cons for this community on Matrix | 19:50:14 |
 jesopo | friend, do not do this | 19:50:29 |
| jesopo | let us just move on for everyone's sake | 19:50:36 |
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 hexa | your reaction to patkas message is out of line | 20:09:46 |
 @fractivore:cyberia.club | Yeah, I was with you in thinking this was a fair room to discuss it, but you didn't need to be so rude about it... | 20:15:31 |
| ggpeti | Sorry, I'm allergic to appeal to authority. | 20:16:12 |
| ggpeti | All patka had to do was mute the channel if it bothered him/her | 20:17:35 |
 Gavin R | given the problem set of federated messages systems (they become DAGs which rely on appending to the graph across the network), one would think that this community could have some spin-off (from the main matrix protocol discussion) which could come back into improving the project as a whole | 20:18:01 |
| Gavin R | so i think the borders for what is considered off-topic could be a lot looser | 20:19:01 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | Me too, but let's not turn a temporary mute by community mods who thought an argument was about to break out into some act of authoritarianism. You've expressed that you didn't appreciate it, you were in fact being rude and escalating things... I think we're in a good spot to learn from what happened and move on. | 20:19:38 |
| Gavin R | in fact, it could potentially lead to a very innovative homeserver in the nixos community, the principles of which could be imported into the matrix ecosystem at large | 20:20:49 |
| Gavin R | declarative, idempotent functional language and systems can lead to a really beautiful federated systems. let's not ignore that (this community should be talking about the problem set at large) | 20:21:43 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @gavinrogers:matrix.org
in fact, it could potentially lead to a very innovative homeserver in the nixos community, the principles of which could be imported into the matrix ecosystem at large True, it's just a really huge ask, to make a new protocol. I know at least one person who is working on a novel federated realtime chat protocol, but it's like a huge project. Matrix is already pretty far along. | 20:22:11 |
| Gavin R | as someone said, why move it to #offtopic:matrix.org when we've just been moved from the (new) main room | 20:22:13 |
| Gavin R | matrix needs to make the time to consider these protocol level adjustments. saying it's too late now would be a huge mistake | 20:22:49 |
| @fractivore:cyberia.club | In reply to @gavinrogers:matrix.org
matrix needs to make the time to consider these protocol level adjustments. saying it's too late now would be a huge mistake I see what you're saying, ur rite ur rite | 20:23:24 |
| Gavin R | novel ideas are there for the taking. even some of the ipfs concepts need to be brought on board or the victim of success thing will be real. as someone said, there are a lot of users and potentially soon that will multiply | 20:23:34 |
| Gavin R | to start with, federation works best when the members can validate what code the other members are running. they don't have to be identical, they just have to be (mathematically) provable. this is something we learned in the ceptr (later holochain) project | 20:26:16 |
| Gavin R | guix and nix are the only current projects that can provide that to federated ecosystems (there might be lesser known projects i'm not aware of and i discount holochain because it ... well i'm not going to tell the story but it's a write-off) | 20:27:20 |
